Capirossi to Pramac, Bad Decision??

IMO his career was finished as soon as ducati dropped him from the factory team after being outperformed by stoner in 07.

ever since then all he does is keeping one of the very few gp seats occupied and putting off people by saying he wants to ride the 1000s one more time.

Unless he goes to WSBK, I think he consider retiring. But it is probably hard to quit when racing was your life for so long.

cliché guevara said:

IMO his career was finished as soon as ducati dropped him from the factory team after being outperformed by stoner in 07.

ever since then all he does is keeping one of the very few gp seats occupied and putting off people by saying he wants to ride the 1000s one more time.

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Agree 100%. MotoGP is no place for seat fillers. Unfortunately nationality allows these guys to hang around far longer then they should. There are plenty of young guys who had better prospects who are no longer there because these guys keep getting rides. Whilst were at it, Edwards can go to. Satellite bikes are for blooding new talent not for collecting pensions.

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Mental Anarchist said:

Agree 100%. MotoGP is no place for seat fillers. Unfortunately nationality allows these guys to hang around far longer then they should. There are plenty of young guys who had better prospects who are no longer there because these guys keep getting rides. Whilst were at it, Edwards can go to. Satellite bikes are for blooding new talent not for collecting pensions.

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Your response begs a simple question; Who can do better? There are younger riders out there but would any fair better than Capi on this machine? I think the answer is no. That being said, for his sponsors Capi brings experience and name recognition. He also sparsely bends the machine and is generally likable. I think it's a "best of the worst" scenario for Pramac. He's not expected to challenge on this machine and he's doing well enough against the other GP backmarkers. The entire satellite team concept as it exists in MotoGP is presently a losing endeavor. Satellite bikes don't win or challenge, Pramac knows it's role and in that regard, Capi gets the job done, even if only marginally.

levigarrett said:

Your response begs a simple question; Who can do better? There are younger riders out there but would any fair better than Capi on this machine? I think the answer is no. That being said, for his sponsors Capi brings experience and name recognition. He also sparsely bends the machine and is generally likable. I think it's a "best of the worst" scenario for Pramac. He's not expected to challenge on this machine and he's doing well enough against the other GP backmarkers. The entire satellite team concept as it exists in MotoGP is presently a losing endeavor. Satellite bikes don't win or challenge, Pramac knows it's role and in that regard, Capi gets the job done even if only marginally.

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Levi, I fall into the 'get rid of seat fillers and under achievers' camp, but I also fully agree and subscribe to the 'who is better' side as well (man, these splinters in my ... from the fence are starting to hurt). I have a theory that the first issue (that of the seat filler) greatly contributes to the second problem (that of 'who can do better') by virtue that one cannot know who can do better as one cannot test given the seat is filled (does that make sense?).



I do firmly believe that Capirex's best days are long gone (he is not alone either) and I firmly would like to see his ride given to some rider who has shown the class, skill and necessary all round performance to deserve the opportunity.



But now in lay the problem, whilst a rider may well shine in another class, MGP is totally different and as such all riders will need a level of acclimatisation before they should be judged and treated accordingly.



However we live in a commercial world where results are everything and as such it is not unreasonable for an employer (ie. team) to dismiss a rider who is not performing which I see as a reason why many teams stick with a 'known quantity' (ie Capirex).



Is there a real solution that will provide new blood with opportunities whilst providing return to the investors in the team ownership sense, yet provide fair and adequate reward to those who are on the downward spiral?















Gaz

Gaz said:

Levi, I fall into the 'get rid of seat fillers and under achievers' camp, but I also fully agree and subscribe to the 'who is better' side as well (man, these splinters in my ... from the fence are starting to hurt). I have a theory that the first issue (that of the seat filler) greatly contributes to the second problem (that of 'who can do better') by virtue that one cannot know who can do better as one cannot test given the seat is filled (does that make sense?).



I do firmly believe that Capirex's best days are long gone (he is not alone either) and I firmly would like to see his ride given to some rider who has shown the class, skill and necessary all round performance to deserve the opportunity.



But now in lay the problem, whilst a rider may well shine in another class, MGP is totally different and as such all riders will need a level of acclimatisation before they should be judged and treated accordingly.



However we live in a commercial world where results are everything and as such it is not unreasonable for an employer (ie. team) to dismiss a rider who is not performing which I see as a reason why many teams stick with a 'known quantity' (ie Capirex).



Is there a real solution that will provide new blood with opportunities whilst providing return to the investors in the team ownership sense, yet provide fair and adequate reward to those who are on the downward spiral?















Gaz

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I'm right there with you Gaz. I'd like to see some new faces on the grid. I think the problem is that MotoGP bikes have become so idiosyncratic that almost no one is expected to perform for several seasons. This leaves sponsors with few viable options. Do they select a relative unknown with a short resume who's prone to costly mistakes or do they select Capi who keeps the shiny side up and finishes better than last? Those are the only two options as I see it.



Fans who've been with the sport for some time probably tend to admire the continued efforts and occasional nostalgia offered by the old guard. For teams, it's an economic decision. Incidentally, I'm not so sure the larger grids promised by the addition of the CRT teams will do anything for the racing save adding some additional combatants for positions 13-17.



The current formula leaves all but the very best factory teams participating in a race within a race. They compete against the other "losers" for the "best of the rest" title. The only thing that will address this quandary is a wholesale reinvention of the formula....



This is where I hand this discussion over to Lex! He's our resident formula guru...

I wish he could stay at ducati for 1 more season... and if ducati realy does well with rossi,capiross,hayden (1000cc exp winers) influence... than it should be a nice year (2012) to retire after

McKneZ said:

I wish he could stay at ducati for 1 more season... and if ducati realy does well with rossi,capiross,hayden (1000cc exp winers) influence... than it should be a nice year (2012) to retire after

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Agreed, it would be nice to see someone with his history exit the series with a bit more style and grace than he's going to be afforded at this seasons end.

Viper-7 said:

So what do you reckon is the best option for him?? apart from retiring.

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wsbk i guess and give the bike to new talent,preferrably me. there are so many great riders in other series that are worthy of a chance in gp.just take a look at the grid in moto2 (bradl,iannone,simon,in a year or two marquez,espargaro)and theres still a couple of guys in wsbk that could step up,laverty and rea are the names that come to mind .





i don't like how people compare edwards to capirossi, maybe its just because i'm a fool for colin,but as i see it colin is fundamental for yamaha for training their new talent.also he rarely crashes ,rides consistanly(!) good and is a keen test rider



capirossi on the other hand...except for a few moments with him and abraham..not so much

i doubt he'd get the same results as edwards on the yamaha, taking a suzuki seat over a better ride in wsbk at that stage of his career said everything to me.

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I suppose it also is a psychological thing, riding at the top level of Motorcycle racing for a satellite team is for some reason considered to be of higher regard than being competitive in WSBKs. We all know how much a lot of riders have grafted to get into GP racing as well as World Superbikes. So I hope he's not just staying there to make up for all the hard work.

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higher regard is a synonym for paycheck in english right?





interesting thought : is it possible that capirossi is good for sponsorship because of the rossi part in his lastname?

i've talked to lots of people who know just rossi and capirossi in gps, and i can't believe that has more to do with capirossis performance of the last few years than that...

I think you will find that Capirossi has bent quite a few this year so far so I hardly think he is considered reliable. At the moment he is a known result. He will finish amongst the backmarkers EVERY race this year.



Now look at Cal Crutchlow. Just say that there was another seat filler taking up the second Tech 3 seat alongside their current seat filler then we would not know now that Crutchlow was MotoGP material.. Some may argue that in WSBK last year Crutchlow did not shine and it would be fair to not include him in a list of riders who could well be expected to shine on a MotoGP bike. But the reality is that he is kicking arse. Who'd a thunk dat?



I have absolutely no doubt at all that there are riders out there that could jump on Capirossi's or Elias or Edwards bike and do as well or better within a reasonable period of time. Everyone asks "who are they?". Well I don't know because no one gets a chance. The feeder classes aren't out there scouting new talent from far away lands as it is just easier to look at Spanish and Italian ranks and those that can get some dollars together to get a ride in the Spanish 125, 250 or Moto2 Championship. I can tell you know there are talented riders out there who can't scrape together the money to do that.



How does soccer find these players from obscure countries that have phenomenal talent? They have scouts travelling the world ACTIVELY looking for the next star. Formula 1 are doing the same. Lewis Hamilton was targeted when he was almost wearing nappies because someone scouted his talent.

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LOL, what I mean is that GP riders are considered to be more talented than Superbike riders.

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i know, i was just adding another important aspect to it

It's been reported by reliable journos that Capi is planning to retire after this season.