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Can Ducati get two wins in 2016??
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Well, I learned that word years ago, British media used to call Nigel Mansell a whinger in every issue of Autosport. In fact Casey and Nigel have lots in common, both great drivers/riders as long as no one pull hard racing move on them. :spin: This may come as shock to you, I am not totally inept in English and we do have tons of English in Quebec. But honest, I would love to see Casey in 2016, see if he can even place 6th against the competition Valentino beat enough times in 2015.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as "trashing". Maybe not the stuff of proper hard legends such as Doohan, and defo a bit of a meltdown scenario, but VR is Italian. The Latin nations are renowned for their histrionics so maybe we can give him a pass when you also factor in that the old boy is 36 and might have had another WC but for those pesky kids
Yup, agree. Trashed, hardly. Senna torpedo Prost and later admit to it being 100% intentional, not that confirmating was needed. Way too much obersvale facts to support that position, except for a blind denier of course. Senna legacy seems to be a-ok to me. I also look forward to the day probably soon where Marc Marquez will admit to everything he's done the last 3 races was intention to prevent a Rossi championship to get his revenge. Mark this post. Like Senna/Prost too much observable evidence, this day will come. But Rossi 'trashed' legacy? So funny! :spin:
Yeah, I agree sir, he can't handle the truth.
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He was talking to you noob.
Gut feel says that they will get at least 1 ................ well gut feel or simply that they are due.
Last year they started well with Dovi, who faded only for Ianonne to come on strong and given their experience with the electronics already, they have an upper hand.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as "trashing". Maybe not the stuff of proper hard legends such as Doohan, and defo a bit of a meltdown scenario, but VR is Italian. The Latin nations are renowned for their histrionics so maybe we can give him a pass when you also factor in that the old boy is 36 and might have had another WC but for those pesky kids
Actually Yam, I would say that in some quarters he did trash some of his 'legacy' (not sure I like that word so much though) in some areas.
Whilst some people had seen or experienced it before, many had not or simply had denied that even VR has moments of childish petulance but what we have seen since Thursday prior to Sepang shows that yes, even he has moment for which others are ridiculed and it has caused some anxiety amongst some of his fanbase.
Whilst that refers to fandom, even within some media and riding circles there does seem somewhat of a 'did that just happen' type of feel, even though much of the media remains supportive of VR and his protestations, for their own benefit of course as he is the goose that laid the golden egg.
In the long run, for the boppers (as opposed to fans) what has occurred has been nothing as they are generally so blinded that they fall into line and accept what has been said/accused as the gospel truth. They will not change their support and as such, there has been nothing occurred that may change their view of VR , and actually in most cases it seems to have galvanised that support somewhat as they are unused to seeing their idol 'attacked' in the media or elsewhere for behavioural issues.
The the fans (such as yourself), it may have been a WTF moment but many longer term fans have seen it and are probably more marvelling at the public unravelling from a person who had been somewhat brilliant at keeping the behaviours hidden. Whilst it might make some fans go 'he carried on like a ........', it will not and should not stop their supporting of the rider, just as a solitary argument should not break a relationship.
For me, the fact that VR has been around so long is actually no excuse and possibly even a reason to ridicule further given the experience, but I have more interest in the unravelling and reasons for it (not the accusation) as this exceeds anything we have seen previously from VR in terms of longevity but moreso vitriol.
What I do hope however is that ALL protagonists involved can move forward in 2016 without consideration of what allegedly occurred else one runs the risk of damaging their own season before it even starts
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I know misery man, i saw he quoted you instead of me. There was sarcasm in there but not surprise you missed it. Possible dementia, see doctor.
Haha, you are funny, as if you are some authority on Rossi's legacy. Of course in your opinion his legacy is 'tarnished' what else would the typical pathological Rossi hater say on this site. When has anyone here ever given this guy the benefit of the doubt? You can hardly remain objective for 5 seconds when it concerns Rossi you are absolutely the last one to offer opinion on legacy. Judging from the reception he got in the pitlane after Valencia with all the teams lined up the entire pitlane to greet him and congratulate him tells me his legacy will be just fine. Keep reaching.
Hey Talps, where do I say his legacy is tarnished ................... your reading abilities seem to have an issue since your (alleged) move to Canada
Well at least if I am the last one that all the other so called 'haters' that are subject of your obsession are now up the order.
BTW, not ALL teams lined up in pit lane so suggest that you re-watch that piece of bopper masturbation material again Talps. Oh, and while at it, suggest you count and see just how many team members were NOT in pitlane throughout as you will find that some had other (perhaps even, better celebratory) things to do.
And just for you - here is Rossi not being a petulant child.
A question for you oh learned one ........................ has Rossi ever been wrong?
Has he ever been at fault?
If you don't want me to be objective then all good, for you I will not be ............. but just remember once again, you are more than welcome to make use of that search button and review comments ............ I never claim to be a fan of the person and never will ...............
So maybe it is you that needs to stop reaching for that lubricant that so seems to be used whenever some dare question your great god of yellow for I am not reaching (again, feel free to use that SEARCH button you seem to not be able to find).
Oh yeah, by the way, whilst using that search button go back and you will see that YOU, yes YOU oh unbiased one have actually liked some of my posts where I have been complimentary and critical of Rossi, and yet I am the last person who should have an opinion but by liking the posts, do you not agree with the content?
Consistency is all we seek
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By the way Papps, have you got your order for the latest edition of MCN yet ........... it has a 12 page feature on Rossi and is apparently about the REAL Rossi so should be awesomely fair and unbiased journalism one would think
New MCN December 30: The real Rossi | MCN
New MCN December 30: The real Rossi | MCN
Oh this is convenient, I thought you once said '250cc' don't count when I mentioned MM was the most dangerous rider in GP. So you post a video that's been posted in every thread the past month. You really are reaching. I think I should post that video of thousands of people in pitlane reaching just to touch a future legend....
And calling me a 'bopper' doesn't bother me, I understand you have a problem with any Rossi fan who is somewhat knowlegables so you resort to childish name calling. Yamaka may be a 'fan' because he tow the line and walks on eggshells trying to connect with a bunch of pathologcal Rossi haters, it is a waste of his time. Me, call me a bopper if you like, I have no interest in your acceptance and don't give a .... what anyone here think of me. Heck, keep call me Talps if you like :spin:
And calling me a 'bopper' doesn't bother me, I understand you have a problem with any Rossi fan who is somewhat knowlegables so you resort to childish name calling. Yamaka may be a 'fan' because he tow the line and walks on eggshells trying to connect with a bunch of pathologcal Rossi haters, it is a waste of his time. Me, call me a bopper if you like, I have no interest in your acceptance and don't give a .... what anyone here think of me. Heck, keep call me Talps if you like :spin:
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Nope, and you know I never said it but what is convenient is your attempted deflection from the reality .......... he has acted like a little ....
No, actually I have no problem with Rossi fans who are knowledgeable and suggest that you see if I have ever called genuine long term Rossi fans such as J4, Yamaka, Rog (when he was here) boppers ................ go on, use that search button. Actually whilst I likely have used that term for you I cannot recall but yes, I would put you in that category (and yes, there are some who fall into the category for others)
And what name calling would that be .......... gramps ............. oh no, I haven't called you that ................... go on, keep trying .
So if you have no care, why bring it up?
BTW, Yamaka does not toe the line as you claim but he is able to logically construct a debate and has done so for a number of years (J4 is quite the same as was Rog). Yamaka may not to YOUR party line as he has been critical of Rossi at times when and where he has felt it deserved, and he has defended when and where he has felt it is deserved (as with his debate with JPS at the moment to use an example)
Suggest you recount the people a little as well
If this is the video where the crowd shows graciousness to Rossi than by all means repost it ............ it has been seen before and does indeed show that he is well liked (never said he wasn't btw)
But I will ask what you mean by 'touch a future legend' ?
Rossi is no future legend and has only not been inducted already as he remains active in the sports ............. actually and no BS, no posturing here I do wonder why he has not already been inducted as he has done enough. IMO only but it should not matter if a person is still active or not but when you look at who has been inducted his record exceed them so why not give the honour whilst still active?
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I quoted you, read the top of the post...
Plenty of posters have showed that they can be level headed and objective when talking about Rossi. However every poster on here says the same thing about you; that that are so pro Rossi you take anything other than praise of him personally as an insult. So maybe it's you..
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Suggest you recount the people a little as well
If this is the video where the crowd shows graciousness to Rossi than by all means repost it ............ it has been seen before and does indeed show that he is well liked (never said he wasn't btw)
But I will ask what you mean by 'touch a future legend' ?
Rossi is no future legend and has only not been inducted already as he remains active in the sports ............. actually and no BS, no posturing here I do wonder why he has not already been inducted as he has done enough. IMO only but it should not matter if a person is still active or not but when you look at who has been inducted his record exceed them so why not give the honour whilst still active?
The whole Legends thing is a massive load of .....
That goes for all sports with these moronic constructs.
Totally agree ............. and have been critical of a number who have been inducted
IMO only, but legends are not labelled but are the results of the environment, and one person's legend may well be another's chump.
Of course, there are exceptions ............. Bradman being one (sorry for the non Cricket fans on that one)
Question for you Baz, did you ever act 'like a little ....' when you were 18-19?
I am not delusional to believe any rider with over 325 races and thousands of practice, qualifying, testing sessions will not get angry sometimes. Yamaka simply for even debating the idea that Rossi cause the contact at Argentina and Assen seems like he walk on eggshells. How is this even a debate it is so preposterous. I don't have a 'party line' just that it is so pathological in here it is my defense mechanism. The more you hate, the more defensive and stubborn I get. Give an inch maybe I give one back.
Now I wish Stoner will come back, I'd love to see him finish 6th with the vicious competition of today...Suggest you recount the people a little as well
If this is the video where the crowd shows graciousness to Rossi than by all means repost it ............ it has been seen before and does indeed show that he is well liked (never said he wasn't btw)
But I will ask what you mean by 'touch a future legend' ?
Rossi is no future legend and has only not been inducted already as he remains active in the sports ............. actually and no BS, no posturing here I do wonder why he has not already been inducted as he has done enough. IMO only but it should not matter if a person is still active or not but when you look at who has been inducted his record exceed them so why not give the honour whilst still active?
I am not aware of any sport who has inducted an active participant in the hall of fame. I think I recall Wayne Gretzky's (hockey) number being retired in his last game in Edmonton while active. But no, I think any official ceremony should happen in retirement as anything can happen when active, maybe he go crazy next year and torpedo MM or commit mass mureder or maybe pull a Pete Rose...
Read my post above, stop being miserable. You are the one who called Rossi a 'fake' when he smile and shake hands, then someone else calls him a 'bad poor sport' for not going to the awards gala as example.
So he goes to the gala "Look, Rossi is a such a faker full of ....." He doesn't go to the Gala, "Look, what a spoiled poor sport, so full of ....." You expect me to take some of you clowns seriously?
GTFO!!
Question for you Baz, did you ever act 'like a little ....' when you were 18-19?
Not 18-19 nope (had commitments at that stage so matured greatly over my 16/17 self)
Certainly 16/17 when I started to work and suddenly was earning money but then it was not 'lashing out' at someone because they got in my way, it was simply being pissed off that I could not afford that car or bike as now earning money I thought I was a millionaire.
I am not delusional to believe any rider with over 325 races and thousands of practice, qualifying, testing sessions will not get angry sometimes. Yamaka simply for even debating the idea that Rossi cause the contact at Argentina and Assen seems like he walk on eggshells. How is this even a debate it is so preposterous. I don't have a 'party line' just that it is so pathological in here it is my defense mechanism. The more you hate, the more defensive and stubborn I get. Give an inch maybe I give one back.
The issue with Sepang is quite simple (from a number of view points) and it is irrespective of who initiated contact (ie. who turned left or right), the contact would NOT have occurred were it not for VR's initial actions.
It is little different to a fully loaded truck in the left lane (Australia so we drive on the left) who is coming to a set of traffic light. As he nears they turn amber then red, he has enough time to stop so all good ............. or so he though as a car has accelerated around him and jumped into his lane to stop, thus robbing that truck of 5 valuable metres. The result, truck hits car - was thr truckie truly at fault?
Alternately, driving a two lane motorway you on your bike, another person in their Volvo driving past. All of a sudden they simply move to your lane, they do not touch you but by your evasion you are now headed off the road and you have what police call a single vehicle accident. Were you to blame?
In both cases, nope, the fault lay elsewhere.
FWIW, use the search function as there has been some really good discussion surrounding viewpoints on the very impact from both (all) sides.
As for CS, I said it when he retired and will say it now. I am a believer of once retired, lifetime retired so I do not want him back ............... that said I do kind of like the idea of him having a fling at PI but I suspect that now with a few years past, the change to Michelin and his lifestyle, he will never get back to what he was (and he does not want to do so from that which I read)
Besides, who wouldn't like a job that allows them to effectively privately test a MotoGP machine and assist in the development if your feedback is thus appreciated.
He is back at Ducati more due to his World Championship and we have to be brutally honest, he has to have a spot in the factory simply for having given them that result (and I do believe it goes both ways as CS is extremely loyal to sponsors etc)
I am not aware of any sport who has inducted an active participant in the hall of fame. I think I recall Wayne Gretzky's (hockey) number being retired in his last game in Edmonton while active. But no, I think any official ceremony should happen in retirement as anything can happen when active, maybe he go crazy next year and torpedo MM or commit mass mureder or maybe pull a Pete Rose...
Nor am I ............. but doesn't mean that it cannot happen (and for some vague reason I have an example in the back of the mind - if I can recall it I will edit this post)
Although as mentioned with Dr No, I do not see a need to have such BS labels and am totally against any officially sanctioned labelling or title as it is no more than a marketing gimmick by the organisers and to me can demean the achievements of the person involved as these people are the jockeys but without a properly provided and prepared horse, they would have achieved less.
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Whereas you calling your opponents childish names in virtually every post is completely different, I suppose. You weren't exactly at the front of the queue when they were handing out insight, were you? No matter, your faith no doubt sustains you.
I don't know in which spheres of knowledge you excel, but I would certainly add neurology to psychology, psychiatry and bike racing to those where you don't. Calling someone you can't refute because he knows vastly more than you do about bike racing whatever his prejudices, as is obvious from his and your every post, "gramps" and diagnosing senile dementia are exactly what you accuse others of being, childish.
To get back to the argument, a term which can only loosely apply to anything you post, you are misidentifying who is making the baseless/unprovable and self-serving accusations (and who was actually found by RD to have ridden illegally and penalised for same for that matter) since PI which is all from Rossi and your side of things, and is what is being disputed; if he hadn't raised all this nonsense and whipped the gullible among his supporters into a frenzy, few would be doing anything except acclaiming him, doubtless grudgingly in some cases, for riding a remarkable season at age 36 against 2 fellow multiple world champions a decade or more younger. You also continue to evade discussion of what the real problem was late season; after deservedly and fairly obtaining a lead in the championship, he just wasn't fast enough late season to maintain that lead.
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