Can Ducati get two wins in 2016??

J4rn0 said:

Another rant. Yawn...

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I would be frustrated too if I couldn't argue against facts that expose the awful effect my hero has on fellow competitors and teams. The League's insistance on catering to your hero has been detrimental to everyone else. This year that dynamic was by far the most clear; to the point of the League sacrificing the facade of integrity it had to effectively market the Grand Finale by failing it's duty to disqualify Rossi for a ban worthy offense.

Keshav said:

Still nothing about racing in this post.

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Ah the irony.

Jumkie said:

I would be frustrated too if I couldn't argue against facts that expose the awful effect my hero has on fellow competitors and teams. The League's insistance on catering to your hero has been detrimental to everyone else. This year that dynamic was by far the most clear; to the point of the League sacrificing the facade of integrity it had to effectively market the Grand Finale by failing it's duty to disqualify Rossi for a ban worthy offense.

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I'm not frustrated, just bored.

J4rn0 said:

I'm not frustrated, just bored.

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"Bored", I remember that code word. The whole sport was "bored" when Casey was killing your hero on the track. Lorenzo is so "boring" putting everyone to sleep with his precision wining style that puts your hero on the same machine to shame. And now ya'll have become bored with the topic of Marquez stealing your hero's title. Everything is boring unless it makes Rossi look good. Only Rossi is exciting.

Jumkie said:

I thought "the greatest of all time" bit was a clue, though J4rn0 sometimes has difficulty discerning the obvious since he thinks Ducati didn't do anything special, in his words "nothing radical" for Rossi during his two years. Btw J4rn0, do you still cling to this assessment?

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Of course. The "radical" change at Ducati has been carried out by Dall'Igna, everybody knows that. Probably you are missing your own point...

And you know, the fact one ignores your anti-Rossi rants doesn't mean one doesn't get them. They are not that subtle... But they are boring. Boring as in "damn boring". :happy:

More boring is listening to you say what amounts to absolutely nothing J4rn0.

J4rn0 said:

And you know, the fact one ignores your anti-Rossi rants doesn't mean one doesn't get them. They are not that subtle...

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There was a time when you and the rest of the boppers could claim that Rossi wasn't complicit in the favoritism he enjoyed. While this was in fact detrimental to everyone else, at least you could say well Rossi isn't going to turn down his special treatment that's on Dorna. But what some of us felt happened behind closed doors came out of the shadows for the world to see, caught on tape how Rossi is in fact complicity, not just the recipient but rather the bully demanding his exclusive status. The irony being ya'll upset this title was decided 'unfairly', a perversion of the word itself! I wouldn't even say Rossi summon of Carmelo Clause was a gotcha moment, Rossi knew the camera was rolling, this was a display at how brazen his relationship with the chief officer had become. We all say it, yet it became a footnote, most journalists were even unwilling to mention it (to Krop's credit he did, and probably got hate mail for it). Even you J4rn0, my friend, tried to spin it as a 'lost in translation' mistake. You tried to convince us what we heard and saw wasn't really Rossi chastising Carmelo, yet the body language, which transcends spoken language, and quite often betrays the actors, was clear! That spectacular exchange ended any doubt Rossi actively engages and presses behind the scenes his considerable influenced to get special treatment. Before it was just not-so-settle the threats to quit the sport if he didn't have his way. Hahaha, even for Valencia he tried this tactic again, saying he wasn't sure if he would even show up to race. But now we know for a fact Rossi engages in backroom tongue lashings, not just of the chief league official but fellow competitors themselves! What is to respect of a guy like that?

Jumkie said:

Kesh, when you quoted me (breaking your word for the nth time) in the Untouchables thread, you thought to do so because you assumed somewhere in my posts about Marquez something was directed at you. You imagined it because as you say above, you Kesh think everything revolves around you. Its there for you to go back and look. I don't do what you do and speak to people indirectly, I have enough honesty to do it directly.

a. Kesh, you continue to ruin this forum.

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JPSLotus said:

B. More boring is listening to you say what amounts to absolutely nothing J4rn0.

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Trumpkie

A. If by "this forum" you mean a tiny quorum of malcontents consisting of four people united by an urgent need to rid this place of any and all people who hold views that diverge from theirs, who will twist the truth and badmouth forum members when said quorum have no meaningful way to weasel out of the truth - then stick to that narrative. It seems to work for you. It works for the Republicans.

Oh... and congratulations on your honesty.

B. Another example of substituting insults for insightful or meaningful rejoinder. :spin:

Keshav said:

A. If by "this forum" you mean a tiny quorum of malcontents consisting of FOUR people...:

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Keshav said:

... for suggesting a possibility that was not in concordance with the MONOLITHIC GROUPTHINK on PS - I have been insulted and lambasted and reviled. There seems to be no room for friendly, spirited debate on this forum anymore. If you don't agree with the BIG THREE - you are labeled crazy or a liar.

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Keshav said:

The forum is not "filled" with people who are unintelligent. Those who fall into that category are limited to about 5 people...

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3, 4, 5, or just the MONOLITHIC GROUPTHINK.

Basically if you don't agree with Kesh you are lumped into so derogatory category.

Jumkie said:

3, 4, 5, or just the MONOLITHIC GROUPTHINK.

Basically if you don't agree with Kesh you are lumped into so derogatory category.

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Quite the opposite. The small quorum of you and your ilk are the minority here - tho you like to posture as the populist front. You bring to mind the old movie "The Mouse That Roared".

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B. Another example of substituting insults for insightful or meaningful rejoinder. :spin:

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Which is every post you have made in this topic.

J4rn0 said:

Another rant. Yawn...

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A very factual rant though. I'm just undecided who Dorna dislikes most, Ducati or Stoner. They have bent over backwards to .... both every since Stoner on the Ducati exposed Rossi. They have gone out of their way ever since to thwart progress from either.

JPSLotus said:

Which is every post you have made in this topic.

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I could scroll through this thread and re-post numerous posts of mine to refute your lies if I thought it would shut you up - but it would be a waste of time because you never tire of lying. And you never acknowledge your culpability, in that you've become the number one veteran instigator of hostility on this site. No matter how civil a dialog is when it starts, you can't help but screw it up with insults. You're constantly champing at the bit, waiting for any little thing that you can throw a tantrum over. You're clearly more invested in lashing out at people than you are at talking about racing. And it's not just me. That much is evident.

For those who have met Keshav, does he actually speak the way he posts. I get the feeling he pours over a dictionary to compose a post that makes him look more intelligent than he really is. I can picture it taking him an hour to compose a paragraph as he matches word meanings just to use words even smart people don't go out of their way to use. It seems so contrived.

povol said:

For those who have met Keshav, does he actually speak the way he posts. I get the feeling he pours over a dictionary to compose a post that makes him look more intelligent than he really is. I can picture it taking him an hour to compose a paragraph as he matches word meanings just to use words even smart people don't go out of their way to use. It seems so contrived.

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Haha, no he doesn't talk like this, actually he sounds and acts like a guy who took one too many bad trips on LSD or toxic mushrooms. Free bird meets Strange bird. Unfortunately, it was only after he managed to leech a nice sleeping space while others were huddled like sardines, perhaps an omen of things to come; as it later came to light we were beneath him apparently. Seems some of us didn't live up to his high standards.

povol said:

For those who have met Keshav, does he actually speak the way he posts. I get the feeling he pours over a dictionary to compose a post that makes him look more intelligent than he really is. I can picture it taking him an hour to compose a paragraph as he matches word meanings just to use words even smart people don't go out of their way to use. It seems so contrived.

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Lorenzo thinks Stoner returning for a wildcard would be amazing. I wonder what Rossi thinks.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/225820/1/having-stoner-back-would-be-amazing.html

Jumkie said:

Lorenzo thinks Stoner returning for a wildcard would be amazing. I wonder what Rossi thinks.

MotoGP: 'Having Stoner back would be amazing' - Lorenzo | MotoGP 0

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Who cares? It'd be amazing and here's hoping!

Mind you it'd be interesting to see how him and MM get along on the racetrack if MM tries moves like Assen....

povol said:

A very factual rant though. I'm just undecided who Dorna dislikes most, Ducati or Stoner. They have bent over backwards to .... both every since Stoner on the Ducati exposed Rossi. They have gone out of their way ever since to thwart progress from either.

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Each one of us is free to assume anything, even wildly, but calling one's assumptions "facts" gives pause. Probably you think Dorna poisoned Stoner in 2009 and blackmailed him into retirement in 2012. Excuse me but... Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawnnn.

Not with Dovi they won't, that guy spent 3 years on a factory Honda taking a solitary win while his teammates finished 2nd(2010) and 1st(2011) in the championship.