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brno the new assen???

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I've been having a big argument with tom about brno being voted the new assen, which obvioulsy I don't agree with. people think that since the track has been changed, everything changed (atmosphere etc), while imo it's completly the opposite. I've been to assen since 2000, so I do know what it was like back when the northern loop was still there. here's what I think:

- first of all, assen <u>had</u> to change the track to go with her time. if they wouldn't have changed it, 2010 would have probably been <u>the last time motogp</u> would come to assen. now with the new TT world building and the new tribunes, it gives people (including riders, audience, press) more what they want. for the audience you see the riders passing a lot more (in 2004 it was 19 times, now it's 24 times), they made better parking facilities behind the main tribune and the paved the walking-paths behind the tribunes so you don't have to walk in mud (which I can assure you is really nice since the chane that it rains in assen is big and I hate having wet feet). it also gives the TT another possibility to use the track in other ways than races: they can have concerts/parties there too.
- the north part wasn't that great imo. as an attender at the track it took ages before you would see the riders again, and <u>no audience</u> was alloud in the northern-loop either. it may have looked great on TV, but it really wasn't the best part of the track imo. the best parts are still here: the new strubben, stekkenwal, de bult, mandeveen, ramshoek (which is awsome to see!) and ofcourse the Geert Timmer corner. the 'verkanting'( no idea what the english word is, I mean the difference in height between the inside and the outside of the track) still excists. that's what rossi complained about, that those differences on the track would be gone, but in fact <u>it's still there</u> (70cm to be exact)
- it's really not true if you think that assen lost her identity of being the cathedral of motorcycle-hystorie. OK, the crowds were a lot bigger in the past. but I don't think that has much to do with the track itself, but more with the riders. back in those days we dutch had some riders up front who could compete for victory too (Will Hartog). assen has a hystorie of more than 75 years, and you still feel that when you're there. in fact, the start and finishline you see now, have been part of the track since 1926.
- the roads the old racers used to go on, are public roads now. you could ride over parts of the old track if you want. don't forget that the first races back in the '20 were raced in Rolde, not Assen, and those parts are still here
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http://www.tt-assen.com/cms/Historie-966.html at the top you'll see 4 video's of some races of the past and how it was back then with Will Hartog and Jack Middelburg

who else beside tom still thinks assen lost her unique identity when they changed the track back in 2004/2005??
 
mari as you know i've been to assen when the north loop was still there. i loved the place! the atmosphere was fantastic. i can't see the place losing it's status. some people just can't accept change/progress however you want to look at it, so they will complain. assen is still the cathedral & always will be. you just can't wash away 75 years!
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Just to clarify. I have read recently that Brno was voted the best GP of 2007 and have heard nothing but positive reports from the atmosphere, experience and organization at the track. It is also known to give us good races.

Furthermore the eurosport commentary team last year concluded at the end of the weekend that in terms of the atmosphere and the varried origins of the huge crowd that Brno attracted it felt like it now had that feeling that used to make Assen so special. While considering which GP to go to this year Brno has become my favorite for this and other reasons, including the history in the surrounding areas (like the old F1 street circuit
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Obviously i haven't been to Assen or Brno yet, but my opinion is that both are GP's i want to visit. And i maintain that despite the new Assen layout not being bad, it is nothing compared to the old one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 9 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Mari...................because she is HOT!!!
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oh god I'm going to take that pic off the forum if this continues: I made a post a la Jumkie-style (except the fancy words) and you only agree cause you know what I look like
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I'm glad frosty read (a part of) it and agrees too
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Tom I know you can't compair those 2 assen tracks, but the renovations aren't necesarily a bad improvement
 
I went to Assen for the Champ Car race last year and found right away it was a bike circuit, first and formost. The people there loved the circuit and the people who went just to see the car racing fell in love with the circtui like I did. The super tight chicane coming on to the frotn stretch is about one of the hardest and best sections of track in MotoGP. Well, about every section of Assen is tough and exciting.

Same with Brno, it is a track that is great. It is modern and very challenging. It is fast, and the many 90 degree corners make for some great passing zones at every turn. Why would change be wanted to this great course? Maybe add more stands, but changes to the course? Stupid! Brno does not have much history, so change would probably go with little notice, and with little local attention to the GP circuit, with little protest either. But! But, it would take the uniquness from Brno brings, and turning it into another cookie-cutter race circuit that has no character and is not fun to not just ride, but spectate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Mar 9 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom I know you can't compair those 2 assen tracks, but the renovations aren't necesarily a bad improvement

Yea, i totally take on board that you feel the renovations have made the track better for viewing, and that makes me happy. But one of the main attractions to assen (for me at least) was to watch the riders racing on the epic piece of track which no longer exists in its entirity.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Mar 9 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh god I'm going to take that pic off the forum if this continues: I made a post a la Jumkie-style (except the fancy words) and you only agree cause you know what I look like
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I'm glad frosty read (a part of) it and agrees too
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Tom I know you can't compair those 2 assen tracks, but the renovations aren't necesarily a bad improvement
I am too old to comment on your looks but it sounds like I should try to get to assen some time; I will add it to the laguna seca race which I am also keen to attend. I have been to amsterdam which I thought was a great place.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 9 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what were you doin there?
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Amsterdam is a great place. Very beautiful city. Nice people. Nice resturants.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 9 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what were you doin there?
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I think I am a bit older than pinky too
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. Medical conference.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 9 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amsterdam is a great place. Very beautiful city. Nice people. Nice resturants.
This is what I was referring to as well. I found the dutch to be great people with a nice sense of humour, and liked the restaurants, and the art galleries. I am told it can get a bit bleak in winter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 9 2008, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think I am a bit older than pinky too
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ahhhh...... checkin out the latest medical marijana products aeeee...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 9 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is what I was referring to as well. I found the dutch to be great people with a nice sense of humour, and liked the restaurants, and the art galleries. I am told it can get a bit bleak in winter.
yeah i agree. i enjoyed holland very much.
 
WHAT????...brno the NEW ASSEN???? WHY???? Not the BLOODY CHeKoS....there not as smart as the Dutch??? Sorry!!! And ASSEN is a LEGEND CIRCUIT!!! It will Neva be replaced by THE CHEKO REP!!!

Wow NOW I’m being a bit controversial...SORRY....BUT I LOVE MY ASSEN!!!....YES???...Sorry I know u CHeKoS have ur Brno guns and the SKODA & the PILS....but it’s neva as good as the Marzipan!!! Hehee and the Dutch WOMEN and the Heineken and the night life in Amsterdam like I had in 2006....wow wow wow...u just have to go there and find out!!!

WHAT????...brno the NEW ASSEN???? WHY???? Not the CHeKoS....there not as smart as the Dutch??? Sorry!!! And ASSEN is a LEGEND CIRCUIT!!! It will Neva be replaced!!! Wow NOW I’m being a bit controversial...YES???...Sorry I know u CHeKoS have ur Guns the Brno the SKODA and the pilsener beers....but it’s neva as good as the Marzipan and the Dutch WOMEN and the Heineken!!! Hehee they seem to match and GO TOGETHER and 4EVA!!! Hheee....Yes I know the Pils beers but it tastes like s__it compared to the Dutch whatever it is!!! SORRY &
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for Dutch Women & Heineken and Plenty of It!!!
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No CHeKo women are really NICE TOO!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gudang @ Mar 9 2008, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WHAT????...brno the NEW ASSEN???? WHY???? Not the BLOODY CHeKoS....there not as smart as the Dutch??? Sorry!!! And ASSEN is a LEGEND CIRCUIT!!! It will Neva be replaced by THE CHEKO REP!!!

Wow NOW I’m being a bit controversial...SORRY....BUT I LOVE MY ASSEN!!!....YES???...Sorry I know u CHeKoS have ur Brno guns and the SKODA & the PILS....but it’s neva as good as the Marzipan!!! Hehee and the Dutch WOMEN and the Heineken and the night life in Amsterdam like I had in 2006....wow wow wow...u just have to go there and find out!!!

WHAT????...brno the NEW ASSEN???? WHY???? Not the CHeKoS....there not as smart as the Dutch??? Sorry!!! And ASSEN is a LEGEND CIRCUIT!!! It will Neva be replaced!!! Wow NOW I’m being a bit controversial...YES???...Sorry I know u CHeKoS have ur Guns the Brno the SKODA and the pilsener beers....but it’s neva as good as the Marzipan and the Dutch WOMEN and the Heineken!!! Hehee they seem to match and GO TOGETHER and 4EVA!!! Hheee....Yes I know the Pils beers but it tastes like s__it compared to the Dutch whatever it is!!! SORRY &
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for Dutch Women & Heineken and Plenty of It!!!
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No CHeKo women are really NICE TOO!!!
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damn..... already tanked up for the race are'nt ya
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To go on Gudang's mention of Skoda. If your a nation known for Skoda cars, you should not have a legendary Grand Prix.
 
brno is a great track & provides some great racing & i love the track also. but it will not replace assen.
 

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