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What a ..... I rewound that because I couldn't believe I heard that right.

Wimps? Christ dude, get over yourself. You got it right for a wet weather race, be happy with that.

He seemed disappointed by the feeling of winning the race compared to having a kid...nothing wrong with thinking that, but if I was a team member, I would be a little disappointed by that. Some .... doesn't need to be said.

This is exactly why i can't stand the ....,he really is an arrogant prick,fair play to him for winning but now he has he'll become even more insufferable,as a Brit i was willing Redding to get that first win in 35 years,normal service will hopefully be resumed at Silverstone before Cuntslow starts telling everyone that he should get Pedrosa's bike
 
It was tongue in cheek, Brit humour, you won't hear any complaints from the riders.

Slight tongue in cheek but he still rates himself far too highly,as soon as he got his first 3rd place at tech 3 he started waving his arms at everybody who had the audacity to be in front of him on track.
 
Michelin actually advised against the inters in Germany. They felt that if the track was dry enough for inters, it was dry enough for slicks. It was just the Yamaha that was in a bad position because their bike isn't very good at getting heat in them.

A wet track not drying after rain has stopped for over an hour with bikes out blowing water off the racing line would be the least likely scenario. Marc mentioned that perhaps the humidity was higher and that slowed the drying. A lot of the teams simply got it wrong today, they believed it would be a similar race as Germany. Rossi and Cal made a gamble that paid off.

No racing tire manufacturer makes a wet tire that will not fail on a dry track.

Lorenzo 2015 Misano
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1. The track wasnt dry, it was drying but wasn't dry.
2. The sides of the where the wear normally shoes up was not where it had blown chunks.
3. If you don't notice the difference between what was being thrown off during that race that you posted and what happened today then you're blind or stupid.
 
This is exactly why i can't stand the ....,he really is an arrogant prick,fair play to him for winning but now he has he'll become even more insufferable,as a Brit i was willing Redding to get that first win in 35 years,normal service will hopefully be resumed at Silverstone before Cuntslow starts telling everyone that he should get Pedrosa's bike

It pains me but I couldn't really disagree that strongly with him. Pedrosa is having an awful time thus far, has only podium end twice and both were when Iannone took himself and another rider out giving him 3rd.
 
1. The track wasnt dry, it was drying but wasn't dry.
2. The sides of the where the wear normally shoes up was not where it had blown chunks.
3. If you don't notice the difference between what was being thrown off during that race that you posted and what happened today then you're blind or stupid.

The track was dry enough that it wasn't ideal for soft wet tires for full race distance.

Chunks flying off the side or middle... it's all tire failure to me. When the temperature of the rubber compound exceeds the limit, all bets are off for where the first chunks come from. Iannone's tire appeared almost completely shredded.
 
The track was dry enough that it wasn't ideal for soft wet tires for full race distance.

Chunks flying off the side or middle... it's all tire failure to me. When the temperature of the rubber compound exceeds the limit, all bets are off for where the first chunks come from. Iannone's tire appeared almost completely shredded.

You don't understand the difference between burning rubber off like what is happening in the photo you've posted and the tyre blowing chunks in the middle of the tyre off. Iannones was the same but worse and he was probably very lucky as was anyone who passed him that it didn't fail.

THAT SHOULDNT HAPPEN AT ANY LEVEL OF RACING LET ALONE AT THE TOP LEVEL.
 
It was a good weekend for me. I said I wanted McGregor to win and for Rossi to beat Lorenzo & Marquez.





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Yes well done McGregor he beat an injured fringe LW contender. LW is going to be a huge issue for him as I think the picture is becoming clearer and clearer of how to beat him and LW has a fair few guys that are better than Diaz and much better wrestlers.
 
You don't understand the difference between burning rubber off like what is happening in the photo you've posted and the tyre blowing chunks in the middle of the tyre off. Iannones was the same but worse and he was probably very lucky as was anyone who passed him that it didn't fail.

THAT SHOULDNT HAPPEN AT ANY LEVEL OF RACING LET ALONE AT THE TOP LEVEL.

I understand and respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it. What Michelin can do to make their soft wet more durable is to make it harder. So they'd actually have a medium & hard wet in that case.
 
It pains me but I couldn't really disagree that strongly with him. Pedrosa is having an awful time thus far, has only podium end twice and both were when Iannone took himself and another rider out giving him 3rd.

I've always thought that Pedrosa is a waste of a factory Honda but i wouldn't give his bike to Cuntslow,at least they would be in a better position spares wise i suppose.
 
I understand and respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it. What Michelin can do to make their soft wet more durable is to make it harder. So they'd actually have a medium & hard wet in that case.

Dude you're being ....... dense, the picture posted of Lorenzos tyre shows that it isn't particularly worn with plenty of tread left and no signs of burning the rubber off. It does show a perfect middle strip of the tread being blown off that's not normal. The fact you don't agree says it all.
 
Dude you're being ....... dense, the picture posted of Lorenzos tyre shows that it isn't particularly worn with plenty of tread left and no signs of burning the rubber off. It does show a perfect middle strip of the tread being blown off that's not normal. The fact you don't agree says it all.

I took that screenshot of Lorenzo's tire. It was before his tire got even worse, but as I snapped that screenshot there was chunks of rubber flying off his tire from multiple places. If you don't have videopass, I believe MotoGP.com has Misano 2015 for free.
 
I took that screenshot of Lorenzo's tire. It was before his tire got even worse, but as I snapped that screenshot there was chunks of rubber flying off his tire from multiple places. If you don't have videopass, I believe MotoGP.com has Misano 2015 for free.

On page 26 or 27 there's a picture of the current tyre go back compare and see the difference.
 
On page 26 or 27 there's a picture of the current tyre go back compare and see the difference.

I see it. The center rubber strip came off. Sucks for him, but didn't that happen right after he set the fastest lap of the race with 7 laps remaining? So that was toward the end of the race when there was a dry line in some areas and he was pushing hard.
 
I took that screenshot of Lorenzo's tire. It was before his tire got even worse, but as I snapped that screenshot there was chunks of rubber flying off his tire from multiple places. If you don't have videopass, I believe MotoGP.com has Misano 2015 for free.



At Misano little chunks of overheating rubber were coming away NOT a big strip of tread from the tread centre.
Lorenzo's tyre was worst there because he really hammered it and was lapping nearly a second a lap then anyone else.
This weekend he hadn't put the tyre under any more stress than anyone else in particular and still he lost a STRIP OF TREAD from the centre of the tyre.
Grow up and put your childish dislike of Lorenzo to one side for a moment and listen to the sense folks are talking.
Or would you rather we all blame Lorenzo and declare its his fault because he's stupid and has a bad riding style?
Just lately you're as transparent as, your .... for brains is very much plain to see...
 
I see it. The center rubber strip came off. Sucks for him, but didn't that happen right after he set the fastest lap of the race with 7 laps remaining? So that was toward the end of the race when there was a dry line in some areas and he was pushing hard.

Sucks for him?

That large of a strip coming out of the centerline of the tire can have devastating effects from loss of grip under acceleration that can lead to numerous issues, loss of braking distance which can lead to massive crashes, to catastrophic structural tire failure, again which can lead to massive crashes.

Christ dude, you need to stop with this.
 
Sucks for him?

That large of a strip coming out of the centerline of the tire can have devastating effects from loss of grip under acceleration that can lead to numerous issues, loss of braking distance which can lead to massive crashes, to catastrophic structural tire failure, again which can lead to massive crashes.

Christ dude, you need to stop with this.

Yes, sucks for him. Just like it sucked for Rossi's engine to blow in the race instead of practice. Lorenzo had some bad luck that the center of the tire failed before the sides.

Watching the start of Misano 2015 and I see that Lorenzo & Rossi were on the hard option wet tire and they destroyed them. So it still stand by my opinion that the soft wet front used today on a damp track would be very difficult to use for full race distance.
 
I see it. The center rubber strip came off. Sucks for him, but didn't that happen right after he set the fastest lap of the race with 7 laps remaining? So that was toward the end of the race when there was a dry line in some areas and he was pushing hard.
If you want to argue that Rossi is the master of preserving tyres and riding worn tyres, and definitely better than Lorenzo in this regard and cite this race as further evidence, you have every right to do so and and I for one will agree you are completely correct.

To argue that Dovi is responsible for his tyre virtually delaminating quite early in the race, or Lorenzo's tyre suddenly deteriorating over the course of 1 lap which was fairly akin to same, are entirely rider related is less defensible imo. We know Michelin produced a dry tyre which was not up to standard, why can't the same be true of a wet tyre?

I am obviously liable to the same criticism, but I have mainly taken you on recently because I have become annoyed by you exhibiting exactly the same behaviour you call hypocritical in others including me ie you pursue your own fixed agenda regardless of facts, what actually occurs and counter arguments in exactly the same way you accuse others of doing.
 
If you want to argue that Rossi is the master of preserving tyres and riding worn tyres, and definitely better than Lorenzo in this regard and cite this race as further evidence, you have every right to do so and and I for one will agree you are completely correct.

To argue that Dovi is responsible for his tyre virtually delaminating quite early in the race, or Lorenzo's tyre suddenly deteriorating over the course of 1 lap which was fairly akin to same, are entirely rider related is less defensible imo. We know Michelin produced a dry tyre which was not up to standard, why can't the same be true of a wet tyre?

I am obviously liable to the same criticism, but I have mainly taken you on recently because I have become annoyed by you exhibiting exactly the same behaviour you call hypocritical in others including me ie you pursue your own fixed agenda regardless of facts, what actually occurs and counter arguments in exactly the same way you accuse others of doing.

Rossi probably deserves some credit for preserving his front, but the fact that he was so slow for the first 5 laps helped him. Lorenzo was even slower at the start, but once he got some heat in his tires and there was less water on the track he started pushing very hard. Lorenzo was probably pushing his tires harder in the later stages of the race than Rossi was.

I told you before, that I wasn't going to say Michelin doesn't have more work to do on the wet tires. But, you'll never hear me say I'm surprised a wet tire failed on a drying or dry track.
 

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