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no tom i dont want a trucks worth of extra fuel, just enough for a rider to celebrate his win.....
yes i love prototypes and i love development of the bike but traction control is a total waste of time...........you know maybe tyre temps would get up quicker if the rider was allowed to spin the wheel a little lol
you can be so arsey sometimes.............lol
yes i love prototypes and i love development of the bike but traction control is a total waste of time...........you know maybe tyre temps would get up quicker if the rider was allowed to spin the wheel a little lol
you can be so arsey sometimes.............lol
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 05:36 PM) [snapback]89077[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Spinning the tyre creates surface temperature but that doesn't actually cause a deteriation in the tyre performance, it was a popular topic when Capirossi was spinning the hell out of the early Ducatis 990's. The trouble is that spinning isn't going forward so it always needs to be limited for optimum speed, whether thats by man or machine.
well the way i heard it at the time was, a spinning tyre generates less heat than a gripping tyre in race conditions. this was was said before the 990 era when they were talking about mccoy on a 500,the real king of slid.
Spinning the tyre creates surface temperature but that doesn't actually cause a deteriation in the tyre performance, it was a popular topic when Capirossi was spinning the hell out of the early Ducatis 990's. The trouble is that spinning isn't going forward so it always needs to be limited for optimum speed, whether thats by man or machine.
well the way i heard it at the time was, a spinning tyre generates less heat than a gripping tyre in race conditions. this was was said before the 990 era when they were talking about mccoy on a 500,the real king of slid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 5 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]89087[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. no tom i dont want a trucks worth of extra fuel, just enough for a rider to celebrate his win.....
2. you know maybe tyre temps would get up quicker if the rider was allowed to spin the wheel a little lol
you can be so arsey sometimes.............
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
1. no tom i dont want a trucks worth of extra fuel, just enough for a rider to celebrate his win.....
2. you know maybe tyre temps would get up quicker if the rider was allowed to spin the wheel a little lol
you can be so arsey sometimes.............
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]89090[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
well not if im spinning the tyre id get so carried away id still be spinning even if i was on the wheel rim after causing the tyre to meltdown
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
well not if im spinning the tyre id get so carried away id still be spinning even if i was on the wheel rim after causing the tyre to meltdown
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 5 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]89092[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
well not if im spinning the tyre id get so carried away id still be spinning even if i was on the wheel rim after causing the tyre to meltdown
well not if im spinning the tyre id get so carried away id still be spinning even if i was on the wheel rim after causing the tyre to meltdown
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]89083[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't get it
Your insight on tire spin and heat...you got that from FASTER
I don't get it
Your insight on tire spin and heat...you got that from FASTER
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2007, 06:27 PM) [snapback]89097[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Your insight on tire spin and heat...you got that from FASTER
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
Your insight on tire spin and heat...you got that from FASTER
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]89100[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
Yup..and they were talking about Gary McCoy at that time.
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
Yup..and they were talking about Gary McCoy at that time.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]89090[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
sorry to, mabe i misunderstood this part then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 05:36 PM)
Spinning the tyre creates surface temperature but that doesn't actually cause a deteriation in the tyre performance,
so you basicly said exactly what i said but used different words
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 06:32 PM) [snapback]89100[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
probably, i head toby and juels talking about it in the mccoy gp500 days which is why i mentioned him rather than capi.
2. Roger and I have jsut stated that tyres heat up less from spinning up
sorry to, mabe i misunderstood this part then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 05:36 PM)
Spinning the tyre creates surface temperature but that doesn't actually cause a deteriation in the tyre performance,
so you basicly said exactly what i said but used different words
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 06:32 PM) [snapback]89100[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Faster was made before ducati entered motogp wasn't it?
probably, i head toby and juels talking about it in the mccoy gp500 days which is why i mentioned him rather than capi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 5 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]89111[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. so you basicly said exactly what i said but used different words
2. probably, i head toby and juels talking about it in the mccoy gp500 days which is why i mentioned him rather than capi.
1. Thats rigth, we actually agreee
2. Mccoys sliding was hilariously unnecessary, but it was nice to see someone just out to enjoy themselfes on track.
1. so you basicly said exactly what i said but used different words
2. probably, i head toby and juels talking about it in the mccoy gp500 days which is why i mentioned him rather than capi.
1. Thats rigth, we actually agreee
2. Mccoys sliding was hilariously unnecessary, but it was nice to see someone just out to enjoy themselfes on track.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 07:29 PM) [snapback]89112[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. Thats rigth, we actually agreee
2. Mccoys sliding was hilariously unnecessary, but it was nice to see someone just out to enjoy themselfes on track.
he was the greatest, imagine what he would have said if they fitted tc to his bike.
1. Thats rigth, we actually agreee
2. Mccoys sliding was hilariously unnecessary, but it was nice to see someone just out to enjoy themselfes on track.
he was the greatest, imagine what he would have said if they fitted tc to his bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 5 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]89090[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
The electronics manage the fuel (and so I suppose you can say the Calibration engineer has a hand in "calculating how to use the minimum possible amount") but at the end of the day, if the electronics are correctly calibrated then they will lean the engine down in order to ensure that the 21 litres last to the end of the race, but not to the end of the slowing down lap, cos that would be a 'waste' of fuel.
I agree with many others here - get rid of tc etc in racing for all the reasons already stated.
Even on a road bike how helpful is tc really. Consider, when you reach the limit when using tc you''ll just put a much bigger hole in the scenery.
To me riding is about me being in control and learning the limits. Not the ECU being in control and backing it down when I've overdone it. Cos with that eventually even the electronics can't cope with how much of an arse you've made of it and scenery here we come! I know that many road bikes already offer tc, but I don't EVER want one that does.
Riding a bike should be about freedom from the dumbing down and nannyisms that the pollies seem to want to inflict on our lives. And in racing this should be doubly so.
1. whatever the fuel limit is the engineers will calculate how to use the minimum possible amount. I too don't like it when riders can't celebrate but this is the accuracy we are now dealing with.
The electronics manage the fuel (and so I suppose you can say the Calibration engineer has a hand in "calculating how to use the minimum possible amount") but at the end of the day, if the electronics are correctly calibrated then they will lean the engine down in order to ensure that the 21 litres last to the end of the race, but not to the end of the slowing down lap, cos that would be a 'waste' of fuel.
I agree with many others here - get rid of tc etc in racing for all the reasons already stated.
Even on a road bike how helpful is tc really. Consider, when you reach the limit when using tc you''ll just put a much bigger hole in the scenery.
To me riding is about me being in control and learning the limits. Not the ECU being in control and backing it down when I've overdone it. Cos with that eventually even the electronics can't cope with how much of an arse you've made of it and scenery here we come! I know that many road bikes already offer tc, but I don't EVER want one that does.
Riding a bike should be about freedom from the dumbing down and nannyisms that the pollies seem to want to inflict on our lives. And in racing this should be doubly so.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Sep 5 2007, 07:50 PM) [snapback]89120[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The electronics manage the fuel (and so I suppose you can say the Calibration engineer has a hand in "calculating how to use the minimum possible amount") but at the end of the day, if the electronics are correctly calibrated then they will lean the engine down in order to ensure that the 21 litres last to the end of the race, but not to the end of the slowing down lap, cos that would be a 'waste' of fuel.
I agree with many others here - get rid of tc etc in racing for all the reasons already stated.
Even on a road bike how helpful is tc really. Consider, when you reach the limit when using tc you''ll just put a much bigger hole in the scenery.
To me riding is about me being in control and learning the limits. Not the ECU being in control and backing it down when I've overdone it. Cos with that eventually even the electronics can't cope with how much of an arse you've made of it and scenery here we come! I know that many road bikes already offer tc, but I don't EVER want one that does.
Riding a bike should be about freedom from the dumbing down and nannyisms that the pollies seem to want to inflict on our lives. And in racing this should be doubly so.
yeah, i agree.
i bet they turn down the power on cool down/celebration laps anyway, imagine doing the stunts they do on a 260bhp bike
all it needs to do is smoke the tyre and do the odd wheelie,100bhp is plenty for that.
The electronics manage the fuel (and so I suppose you can say the Calibration engineer has a hand in "calculating how to use the minimum possible amount") but at the end of the day, if the electronics are correctly calibrated then they will lean the engine down in order to ensure that the 21 litres last to the end of the race, but not to the end of the slowing down lap, cos that would be a 'waste' of fuel.
I agree with many others here - get rid of tc etc in racing for all the reasons already stated.
Even on a road bike how helpful is tc really. Consider, when you reach the limit when using tc you''ll just put a much bigger hole in the scenery.
To me riding is about me being in control and learning the limits. Not the ECU being in control and backing it down when I've overdone it. Cos with that eventually even the electronics can't cope with how much of an arse you've made of it and scenery here we come! I know that many road bikes already offer tc, but I don't EVER want one that does.
Riding a bike should be about freedom from the dumbing down and nannyisms that the pollies seem to want to inflict on our lives. And in racing this should be doubly so.
yeah, i agree.
i bet they turn down the power on cool down/celebration laps anyway, imagine doing the stunts they do on a 260bhp bike
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Sep 5 2007, 10:45 PM) [snapback]89170[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Anyone in favor of getting rid of the fuel limit? Thats seems to be a limiting factor in the amount power the japanese bikes develop..
Edit: Went bacl and read a few posts. Apparently, xx CURVE xx is the only other person in favor.. hmmm..
thats just say im open minded on that one.
Anyone in favor of getting rid of the fuel limit? Thats seems to be a limiting factor in the amount power the japanese bikes develop..
Edit: Went bacl and read a few posts. Apparently, xx CURVE xx is the only other person in favor.. hmmm..
thats just say im open minded on that one.
