Bring'm back....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Sep 4 2007, 10:00 AM) [snapback]88795[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it'll get better boy's. new bikes new tire rule it'll settle. theres always gonna be those off seasons & this is 1.


Better hope so...cause at this rate it's becoming a F1 nap.

The Best Woman i've EVER MEET!!! and BEEN WITH!!!...EVER!!!

Well let's be realistic there is no chance of the 990cc coming back in a near future. Manufacturers have spent millions on high revving 800cc engines and they're not going back (mainly cause they control the rulemaking).

And IMO I don't think that's the problem anyway.

Electronics (TC) I agree is something I'm starting to think it should go away. This is not an electronics championship, it's a riders championship, they should control their bike, tyre wear, mapping etc. Otherwise we might just as well hand the trophy to Magneti Marelli.

But last and most importantly IMO something needs to be done about the tyres. They've becomed a far too important element. So either let everyone one have the same tyres (best option IMO) or fine tune the rules so Michelin and Bstone are on par.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2007, 02:35 AM) [snapback]88829[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Better hope so...cause at this rate it's becoming a F1 nap.


Come on CURVE!!!...Don't be so negative -....mate!! Well ok how many seasons in the past have been like this??? and I bet you most!!! in the 500's 990's...so what are you winging about???...oh I see its the aussie Casey!!!...now I get you’re drift CURVE!!!

wow and people say rossi fans are bad

now hes saying he doesnt take roger lee haydens comments serious because he has been WATCHING and "riding" for 37 yrs...

Im only 21 and have actually ran some wild cards in a national series but I wouldnt say oh cause he was 10th it must not be true I mean just before that you said you consider everyone out there a hero so why the hate for Roger Lee then? Im not a fan of him but I give him respect! Also West said it was a hard race I think more because his fitness level was not as high thats why he has been spending so much time with trainers (he said that himself that he was going be spending break doing more work)

Dude you're one hair from my ignore button...
Enough with your Stoner ball sucking...i'm talking bikes here not riders.

also...fix your Caps Lock button... ...for being as old as you say you are....you act like an annoying teeny bopper.

Please play nicely for the sake of mankind

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Sep 5 2007, 02:39 AM) [snapback]88832[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well let's be realistic there is no chance of the 990cc coming back in a near future. Manufacturers have spent millions on high revving 800cc engines and they're not going back (mainly cause they control the rulemaking).

And IMO I don't think that's the problem anyway.

Electronics (TC) I agree is something I'm starting to think it should go away. This is not an electronics championship, it's a riders championship, they should control their bike, tyre wear, mapping etc. Otherwise we might just as well hand the trophy to Magneti Marelli.

But last and most importantly IMO something needs to be done about the tyres. They've becomed a far too important element. So either let everyone one have the same tyres (best option IMO) or fine tune the rules so Michelin and Bstone are on par.


But the Bridgestones & Michelines are on par!!!...They hav enever been in the past...but in 2007 THEY ARE!!! Especially in Europe because the Michelin Tech's can;t fly inn nbew tyres to suit!!!...How can you say that the Bridgestones & the Michelins are not on PAR????


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2007, 02:45 AM) [snapback]88835[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dude you're one hair from my ignore button...
Enough with your Stoner ball sucking...i'm talking bikes here not riders.

also...fix your Caps Lock button...


My caps are A OK mate!!! and..."you're one .... hair from my ignore button"...come-on CURVE!!! As ur name is in "caps"...and I'm NO ball sucker dude!!!...I just speak the truth and the TRUTH always HURTS!!! who ever its intended to!!!...you have to be kidding me CURVE!!!

CURVE...just get OFF THE DUMMY mate!!!...and/or the baby bottle!!!

again....I'm talking bikes and racing....you're talking Stoner... wrong thread.

Go cheer-lead and ball suck elsewhere.



PS: your Caps Lock is sticking again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2007, 02:56 AM) [snapback]88843[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
again....I'm talking bikes and racing....you're talking Stoner... wrong thread.

Go cheer-lead and ball suck elsewhere.
PS: your Caps Lock is sticking again.


curvy my mate!!!...you see i’m not using “caps at all” ...please man...i don’t want to be confrontational!!!...but this post is bordering on the ridiculous!!! because to bring back the past is to admit “Defeat”...haven’t you read your History!!!...ok curve...;why would you want to do what you’re saying???and i know that the 990’s have haqd 2 seasons and I know that last year was just a fluke of a year!!!...so why would you bring back the 990 compared to the 800’s???...give me the pros & cons to my question....and they better be good!!!

simple...more exciting racing...a Moto GP bike should have too much power, not just enough as they do now...

glad you got the Caps Lock thing situated...cheers!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 4 2007, 06:19 PM) [snapback]88853[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
curvy my mate!!!...you see i’m not using “caps at all” ...please man...i don’t want to be confrontational!!!...but this post is bordering on the ridiculous!!! because to bring back the past is to admit “Defeat”...haven’t you read your History!!!...ok curve...;why would you want to do what you’re saying???and i know that the 990’s have haqd 2 seasons and I know that last year was just a fluke of a year!!!...so why would you bring back the 990 compared to the 800’s???...give me the pros & cons to my question....and they better be good!!!

im not bothered if there 990s or 800s, i want to see the control put back in the riders hands not a pile of electronics,or we may as well have them radio controlled and do away with the human element .also i dont like the fact that the tyres are such a deciding factor in racing today.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 4 2007, 06:32 PM) [snapback]88860[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
im not bothered if there 990s or 800s, i want to see the control put back in the riders hands not a pile of electronics,or we may as well have them radio controlled and do away with the human element .also i dont like the fact that the tyres are such a deciding factor in racing today.



quite agree

this year is just a blip in the system imo. The Stones have just capitalised on the situation by just doing what they were doing year in and year out and Michelin have been caught with their pants down

thats it.

I think next year the tyre war will be back on

I do agree that Tc / launch control should be scrapped and traction put back into the right hand of riders .

there is no better viewing than bikes coming into corners with two wheel steering and a handful of opp lock.

i say again we dont want to go down the road of a control tyre- not ever

Tyres. One make championship is the only way to guarantee some sort of level playing field. It is the one aspect of development that is out of manufacturers control. Edwards commented on the factories spending millions on development only to get shafted by the tyres. Some here may enjoy a tyre 'war' I personally couldn't give a .... if they were running Dunlops if the racing is close. The riders still have to control the bikes on the limit of whatever tyre is available so to me it's not a step back at all. In fact if the Dunlop is ..... after 3 laps it makes it all the harder to ride.

Bridgestone don't want a one make series, they enjoy kicking Michelin in the teeth week in week out. I think the Michelin boys would be quite ok with Japan sinking into the ocean and Dunlop being the only competition around.

No rule changes to the ECU's or one tyre manufacturer next year, so I can see the same .... happening, at least at a few rounds. Looks as though Dorna will allow more tyres next year as they know they ...... up.

The manufacturers know what to work on from their end, more hp and more hp. Qatar will be interesting and much more even down the straights I would imagine.

Get rid of traction/launch control - that's it! This tyre crap is nonsense. Michelin were caught out which I have mentioned about a gazillion times and they're paying the price. BAD LUCK!! Fix the problem!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 5 2007, 05:51 AM) [snapback]88937[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Get rid of traction/launch control - that's it! This tyre crap is nonsense. Michelin were caught out which I have mentioned about a gazillion times and they're paying the price. BAD LUCK!! Fix the problem!

if they got rid of tc i think a lot of tyre problems would go with it. i remember they could not under stand why mccoys tyres lasted even tho he was lighting them up on every corner (damn i miss that guy). 1 reason i heard was, hard traction like were getting with the 800s pulled the rubber away from the tyre carcase whereas spinning it up didn't and actually made the tyre run cooler.
i dont think stones were in motogp when this style was common, they came into the game in the last few years when keeping the wheels inline was the style adopted "i think"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 4 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]88796[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
how LONG have you been a Stoner fan?

I don't care if the 800's are "quicker".... the "premier motorcycle" should be a monster to control.. as it has been for decades BEFORE the 800s...you should know that with your "extensive" background in the sport.
I don't care who wins...I want to see a fight not a parade...get over it.

And Drill, come on m8..this is the top of the motorcycle feeding chain brother!...there is no such thing as a motorcycle being "too fast"

You know me m8,it`s always rider safety that comes first.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 5 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]89042[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
if they got rid of tc i think a lot of tyre problems would go with it. i remember they could not under stand why mccoys tyres lasted even tho he was lighting them up on every corner (damn i miss that guy). 1 reason i heard was, hard traction like were getting with the 800s pulled the rubber away from the tyre carcase whereas spinning it up didn't and actually made the tyre run cooler.
i dont think stones were in motogp when this style was common, they came into the game in the last few years when keeping the wheels inline was the style adopted "i think"

That`s a hellova good point there ,Rog.

ok my opinion the 800's should stay we should wait and see how development comes along next year, as for the traction control that should go out the window and the tyre rules, i believe this year could have been totally different if it was down to rider capabilities isnt that what racing should be about??? i wouldnt be supprised in 2010 if the riders would just be stuck on the bikes for show with bike engineers controling them from the pits via remote control lol lol lol.

i so miss the powersliding too, i mean you want to push your bike past the limit and use your skill but you cant because your traction control is slapping you on the wrist everytime you want to cain the throttle, what sort of crap is that.???
i cant explain in words how i feel about these stupid rules,as for traction control to be saving injuries thats another load of .....! cmon i mean these are suppossed to be the cream of the crop some of the best riders in the world, TC should not be on a race track it should be the riders problem to deal with the bike, maybe TC on road machines for the saftey of the genral public lol???? , if you cant use your skill and stay on your bike without TC then tough .... find another sport.

Removing the fuel limit would help a lot also...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Sep 5 2007, 04:49 PM) [snapback]89058[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Removing the fuel limit would help a lot also...



ohh yeah i forgot about that ..... also lol riders cant even have a celebration after there win , dam racing is going down the toilet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 5 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]89042[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
if they got rid of tc i think a lot of tyre problems would go with it. i remember they could not under stand why mccoys tyres lasted even tho he was lighting them up on every corner (damn i miss that guy). 1 reason i heard was, hard traction like were getting with the 800s pulled the rubber away from the tyre carcase whereas spinning it up didn't and actually made the tyre run cooler.
i dont think stones were in motogp when this style was common, they came into the game in the last few years when keeping the wheels inline was the style adopted "i think"


Spinning the tyre creates surface temperature but that doesn't actually cause a deteriation in the tyre performance, it was a popular topic when Capirossi was spinning the hell out of the early Ducatis 990's. The trouble is that spinning isn't going forward so it always needs to be limited for optimum speed, whether thats by man or machine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 5 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]89046[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i believe this year could have been totally different if it was down to rider capabilities isnt that what racing should be about???


If you want the pinnacle of motorcycle prototype racing you must also expect the pinnacle of motorcycle technology. Thetechnology has become very advanced now and people have started complaining, there is always superbikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Sep 5 2007, 04:54 PM) [snapback]89064[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ohh yeah i forgot about that ..... also lol riders cant even have a celebration after there win , dam racing is going down the toilet


There will never be unlimited amounts of fuel, get used to it.