Oh,the competition was there alright,Pov.Its just that they couldn`t ride the fuckers like Mick did.
Best season of all time .... ?
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Oh,the competition was there alright,Pov.Its just that they couldn`t ride the fuckers like Mick did.
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I was sure it had happened before, but I had to go looking for it! In 1983 Sheene, Roberts, Lucchinelli and Uncini were all on the grid.
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Thanks. I apologize. A bit of background, the thread starter in this case has built his own reputation, hence the reaction. I thought it was a fair question and my folly was to react to Talps who must invoke rivalism and proceed on telling us why his go-to rider is under every circumstance the best ever.
The question posed here is fair enough. Its worth discussing among us staunch followers of the sport. It may or may not be the best season ever, but that is the question, isn't it. The fact, and this is a fact, that it can be argued to rank among the best is certainly proof enough of the merits of this thread.
Anyway, back on topic. If I had to make a case for one of the best seasons ever by one rider, I'd say in the last ten years, I'd go with 2007. (Doesn't mean I'm right, but its certainly means I can make a good case of it). Sure people will throw in all these "but this and that". The truth is, it also applies to other years. For example, I've made a case that the dominance from 02-05 can be linked to a certain tire advantage that was, infact exclusive. This is no different then the circumstance of people wanting to make a case against 07 and even this year 2010. Its part of the sport, the thing is some people just cannot wrap their heads around the realities to accept them.
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Exactly what the ........ "and" ...... in the tiltle was meant to provoke. This is the bit worth debating irrespective of the numbers.
Bit Surprised myself on that one. But when you look at 83, 2011 looks more "intoxicating". I don't remember feelings of anticipation, in 83, as I do for 2011 being a great season, but its good to have other's reactions.
Where there is diarrhea, you are never far behind (and surely with etal in tow). While BM inadvertently spews ...., you waddle in it by virtue of an inability to accept an opinion that would challenge your common & particular delusional perspective. Here is the difference I see between you and BM. He is more like a dumb moth that relentlessly tries to attack the light even though, as we hilariously saw in another thread, it’s only resulted in his own demise. But you on the other hand are like a cockroach, that is, besides being a bottom dweller, you run from the light because your comfort is in the darkness of your own blindness.
Lorenzo's season can certainly be considered among the best. But for you, because it means that he beat a certain fellow, it must be tainted right? Newsflash, all great seasons have some form of attrition and significant circumstances that contributed to certain lopsidedness. If I had to make a case for a dominant season, I would have gone with 07. But of course you would give us a list of why its was false dominance right? Why don't you save us the reading and just post like Curve? Oh wait, that's because you have zero wit. I know, just do a "+1" and be done with it. This way you save Internet bandwith that otherwise would be filled with .... from you.
Any facts and figured to support your rubbish, or just more abuse. Valid argument helps you know, I did mention 07 did I not. My post contains facts, does yours?
it is funny how questions like this, which is asking an opinion.....always ends up with people getting very defensive on what they believe is the best when others go against that line of thought.
Lorenzo scored the most points to win the title. This is the fact......now if it is the greatest ever, then it is up to who wants to believe that or not.
I don't think it is because....
1.) his alien rivals all had a bad season (Rossi missed races due to injury, Pedrosa missed races due to injury, Stoner had set up issues 1st half of season)
2.) the engine rule brought the factories to a conservative mindset to make a few engines last a season
3.) He has a chance to break the season points record....but he wont have 10+ wins or all podium finishes.
4.) He snubbed Spies and Rossi when he clinched the title......yeah I threw that one in there!!!!!
So....Lorenzo had a very impresive season with his results but IMO can't say it is the best season of all time. I will say the same with Agositini's seasons/titles...he did a great job racing/finishing, but the competition of bikes/riders was really not there during his run. Not Lorenzo's or Ago's fault, but that is how it falls. It cool thing for them is no matter what I (or anyone else thinks) they are world champions.
Now back to voicing your opionion louder than others to prove you are right!!!
Lorenzo scored the most points to win the title. This is the fact......now if it is the greatest ever, then it is up to who wants to believe that or not.
I don't think it is because....
1.) his alien rivals all had a bad season (Rossi missed races due to injury, Pedrosa missed races due to injury, Stoner had set up issues 1st half of season)
2.) the engine rule brought the factories to a conservative mindset to make a few engines last a season
3.) He has a chance to break the season points record....but he wont have 10+ wins or all podium finishes.
4.) He snubbed Spies and Rossi when he clinched the title......yeah I threw that one in there!!!!!
So....Lorenzo had a very impresive season with his results but IMO can't say it is the best season of all time. I will say the same with Agositini's seasons/titles...he did a great job racing/finishing, but the competition of bikes/riders was really not there during his run. Not Lorenzo's or Ago's fault, but that is how it falls. It cool thing for them is no matter what I (or anyone else thinks) they are world champions.
Now back to voicing your opionion louder than others to prove you are right!!!
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Now back to voicing your opionion louder than others to prove you are right!!!
Tell that to Talpa, who started his first post here (as he does quite usually) with the premise: its stupid to even consider this question, simply because 1. its not his boy we are considering the greatest, and 2. BM started thread so it must be rubbish.
Cut to the chase Factory, which of Rossi's seasons do you consider to be the greatest of all time? I'm sure that's what Talps and Inam want to hear as well. But trust, just like you make a list of reasons why its not so great, I can equally make a list of why any such seasons had its unique circumstances, of course I would be wrong, right? Even though you plainly stated "Lorenzo scored the most points to win the title." Its pretty simple, Talps, inam, and your protest all come from one place.
And yes, Lorenzo clearly snubbing Spies & Rossi certainly factors into this discussion.
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You are a pathetic little ...... mate
Tell that to Talpa, who started his first post here (as he does quite usually) with the premise: its stupid to even consider this question, simply because 1. its not his boy we are considering the greatest, and 2. BM started thread so it must be rubbish.
Cut to the chase Factory, which of Rossi's seasons do you consider to be the greatest of all time? I'm sure that's what Talps and Inam want to hear as well. But trust, just like you make a list of reasons why its not so great, I can equally make a list of why any such seasons had its unique circumstances, of course I would be wrong, right? Even though you plainly stated "Lorenzo scored the most points to win the title." Its pretty simple, Talps, inam, and your protest all come from one place.
And yes, Lorenzo clearly snubbing Spies & Rossi certainly factors into this discussion.
Why do you want me to name Rossi's best season?? You assume that I think Rossi has had the best season ever. There are 2 Rossi seasons that I admire the most. His 2001 season....the 500cc bike is my favorite and I thought the Mugello Hawaiian livery was great (sucks he crashed out that race!!
I am sure you can list reasons why Lorenzo had the best season ever.....again you are showing that it is still down to opinions and why someone (you) believes is the best, and the reasons these forums exist.
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oh and @jumkie...correct me if i'm wrong..but didn't rossi injure his shoulder after the qatar race and before the 2nd (was supposed to be motegi i think, correct me if i'm wrong)...so TECHNICALLY rossi beat lorenzo when he had an injured wrist and lorenzo beat rossi when he had an injured shoulder....lol...just playing devil's advocate here
as for best season? depends on what you're looking for...if it's soley based on points..quite possible...but it's been pretty boring on the track =(
oh and @jumkie...correct me if i'm wrong..but didn't rossi injure his shoulder after the qatar race and before the 2nd (was supposed to be motegi i think, correct me if i'm wrong)...so TECHNICALLY rossi beat lorenzo when he had an injured wrist and lorenzo beat rossi when he had an injured shoulder....lol...just playing devil's advocate here
as for best season? depends on what you're looking for...if it's soley based on points..quite possible...but it's been pretty boring on the track =(
You are a pathetic little ...... mateThere's been some pretty good data put forward here.
Easy, he was talking about what Talpa did, if you look Jumkie has defended this thread existing and contributed to it.
I actually consider 2008 season his greatest, because he rode at a fantastically high level in every race other than the race he put the bike down (?assen) and came back at stoner at laguna seca after dominant pace from casey in the previous 3 races and in practice. One of the reasons stoner was under such pressure after not winning laguna seca was that rossi was virtually a lock to get second in every race he didn't win; pedrosa's and lorenzo's travails were not his problem, as has been said there are nearly always such things in every season. Jorge was heading for such a season until he backed off late in the season, whether due to engine supply, prudence, the improvement of others or whatever. If he gets the points record it is hard to gainsay him as I have said, but there weren't many takers for stoner having had the best season ever in 2007.
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"Best season ever" -- as it is apparent after a few days of this thread rolling -- is as boring a subject as "best rider ever" or "best bike ever" -- Come on, it's not yet winter time that we have to kill time is such a dull way, the season is still running, there is a race next Sunday -- the game is on...
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"Best season ever" -- as it is apparent after a few days of this thread rolling -- is as boring a subject as "best rider ever" or "best bike ever" -- Come on, it's not yet winter time that we have to kill time is such a dull way, the season is still running, there is a race next Sunday -- the game is on...
It was a good thread mate,its just these days everything turns into a battle of psychology and verbal crap.Oneupmanship is rife!!
Ican see how you think that, he's been a bit schizo really, one minute he is ripping into Talpa cos Talpa is having a go at the thread then he is whimping at me ( see what I referenced to in the first place ie. read back )
Well i looked back at what you referenced, in context it seems clear he was giving the reasons he feels Talpa has been biased and unreasonable. I wouldn't say jumkie is being schizo, i think its a good thing that he doesn't put his full weight behind taking sides and forum bullying (like some) when something reasonable is being discussed.
It was a good thread mate,its just these days everything turns into a battle of psychology and verbal crap.Oneupmanship is rife!!
True, but this one has been alright
It has its moments of pure intelligence for sure. I can see me being busy thinking of decent quiz stuff over the winter.
Excellent! I love off season threads
