Austrian GP 2016

Old circuit was far better. They used to blow past where the modern turn 1 is. Turn 3 was the Bosch Curve and far better in profile than what exists now. The double right at the end of the lap was also much another instead of the jerky mess it is now. But it was a better car circuit always.

michaelm said:

I have been known to travel to Europe and the USA, probably no more than 50 times, but not many fewer times than that either, and mostly during winter in Australia since they mostly don't have medical conferences in winter either except at ski resorts which I don't do.

Bottom line is that Lorenzo has both the most titles and the most race wins of any rider over the time he has been in the premier class, certainly more than one V. Rossi who has been there the whole time. He will doubtless be surpassed by Marquez, but it is what it is, and if his riding style is best suited by the conditions most commonly prevalent that is hardly a knock on him.

(EDIT I exaggerate. It is probably more like 35 times).

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I have no argument with lorenzos wins and titles. I wasn't comparing him to Rossi or Marc. I was just saying he can only ride in optimal conditions. Obviously there is more good weather days than bad in motogp. I need to look no further than Lorenzos wins and titles to see that. DORNA tries to schedule races when the weather is best in the area the race is in. .... it must be a conspiracy in favor of Lorenzo. Jumkie can you confirm?

Little Walter said:

Ducati totally didn't deserve that win. Neither one. Just a fluke. Pay no attention. Move along.

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Hahaha don't make me laugh, they did deserve it after all they took 1st and 2nd. But I digress you must hate the Italians!

MdubSTYLIE said:

I have no argument with lorenzos wins and titles. I wasn't comparing him to Rossi or Marc. I was just saying he can only ride in optimal conditions. Obviously there is more good weather days than bad in motogp. I need to look no further than Lorenzos wins and titles to see that. DORNA tries to schedule races when the weather is best in the area the race is in. .... it must be a conspiracy in favor of Lorenzo. Jumkie can you confirm?

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Sure, my point exactly.

Whilst it was obviously not my preferred outcome, I would have had no problem with Rossi winning the 2015 title by being better than Lorenzo in an unusual number of wet races and would not have invoked "luck", and said so while he looked like managing this.

I did have a problem with the late season Rossi/Rafferty's rules regarding other riders not being allowed to race him when conditions turned in Lorenzo's favour, as we have discussed at rather some length.

michaelm said:

Sure, my point exactly.

Whilst it was obviously not my preferred outcome, I would have had no problem with Rossi winning the 2105 title by being better than Lorenzo in an unusual number of wet races and would not have invoked "luck", and said so while he looked like managing this.

I did have a problem with the late season Rossi/Rafferty's rules regarding other riders not being allowed to race him when conditions turned in Lorenzo's favour, as we have discussed at rather some length.

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I remember you saying that. The reason I am so harsh is because of the amount of drop off. If we were to use provols video game rating system Lorenzo would go from a 9-9.5 in optimal conditions to a 3 or lower when its cold. Thats a problem. Especially next year. Optimum conditions will likely be rare.

Daniboy said:

Firstly props to Iannone for his well won gp , brave tyre choice and it paid off .
Dovi said his hard tyre didn't drive off the corners as well as his teammate and the way he couldn't get back on terms adds weight to that. Also Lorenzo beating Rossi shouldn't have happened on michelintino tyres should it? Good race all round though and happy to see a different winner.

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Nice ...

As evident in Qatar, Saschering, even Austrian GP, top riders including VR has yet to fully understand and come to terms with tyre profiles offered by Michelin. Decision made by Lorenzo, Marc and Ianone are more of their gut feeling and they look brilliant, when they come out on top. However, when Rossi does the same, conspiracy thing kicks in

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MdubSTYLIE said:

I remember you saying that. The reason I am so harsh is because of the amount of drop off. If we were to use provols video game rating system Lorenzo would go from a 9-9.5 in optimal conditions to a 3 or lower when its cold. Thats a problem. Especially next year. Optimum conditions will likely be rare.

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For the conspiracy minded among us, the problem is rather that Jorge was something like an 11 or 12 on his preferred Bridgestones in optimal conditions and more like a 7 otherwise on the alternate Bridgestones.

Surely a major manufacturer like Michelin with all their motorsports experience have had time to address the durability issues with the softer Michelins which did rather suit Jorge pre-season by now, btw.

ananthakannan said:

Nice ...

As evident in Qatar, Saschering, even Austrian GP, top riders including VR has yet to fully understand and come to terms with tyre profiles offered by Michelin. Decision made by Lorenzo, Marc and Ianone are more of their gut feeling and they look brilliant, when they come out on top. However, when Rossi does the same, conspiracy thing kicks in

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Another Rossi fan complaining about conspiracy theories post the pre-Sepang 2015 press conference and many more press conferences subsequent to that.

Oh the irony.

michaelm said:

Another Rossi fan complaining about conspiracy theories post the pre-Sepang 2015 press conference and many more press conferences subsequent to that.

Oh the irony.

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Very very fast to paint me as a Rossi fan...good try [emoji14]

I am an out and out lorenzo fan, always dismissive to Rossi's claim around 2009-2010, tat JLo harvested his hard work.

Still believing, this season lorenzo can close in the deficit and gets the championship.

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JPSLotus said:

So I was wrong, big deal.

That's what the forum is for, to make predictions and the like.

But still being wrong amounts to what anyway?

It could be worse. I could worship a fictional TV show character.

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Wrong? You? Heavens! Could be worse. I could use an avatar of a grumpy looking geezer balefully staring out at everyone with what might be interpreted as loathing and contempt to project an inflated sense of superiority. Then again - it might just be an avatar.

JPSLotus said:

You're clearly new to GP racing then if you think this is anything other than a typical Dovi performance.

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If you say so.

Theo said:

Hahaha don't make me laugh, they did deserve it after all they took 1st and 2nd. But I digress you must hate the Italians!

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Haven't bothered to read the thread or just humor impaired?

Irony

noun, plural ironies.
1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:
the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

Little Walter said:

Wrong? You? Heavens! Could be worse. I could use an avatar of a grumpy looking geezer balefully staring out at everyone with what might be interpreted as loathing and contempt to bolster an inflated sense of superiority. Then again - it might just be an avatar.

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You have anything of substance to say yet?

When the first thing you had to say after the race was to not address the actual race at hand, but to whine further about a post I made, it shows what a vapid .... you are. In fact, the last few posts of yours have had nothing to say about the race.

Another terrible poster who has nothing useful to say.

Shocking.

Little Walter said:

All things being equal, the Hondas and Yamahas lost at new circuit.

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Little Walter said:

Dovi made the wrong choice of tires. He just didn't have the grip at the end. He was killing it on the brakes, but AI, intuited the right choice for tires. Said so himself.

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JPSLotus said:

You have anything of substance to say yet?

When the first thing you had to say after the race was to not address the actual race at hand, but to whine further about a post I made, it shows what a vapid .... you are. In fact, the last few posts of yours have had nothing to say about the race.

Another terrible poster who has nothing useful to say.

Shocking.

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Nothing about the race? Is that so?

Didn't realize you were the appointed arbiter of what constitutes substantial. Was this something everybody got together to vote on?


There doesn't really seem to be that much to say about the race. Everybody was predicting dominance by the Ducs and Marquez taking it easy to finish in the top five to keep his points advantage. Rossi shadowed Lorenzo and didn't really do much else. A bunch of guys jumped the light. The usual characters squabbling over whether or not Lorenzo got a tow. The usual guys trotting out the flea bitten rag of conspiracies over how everything is slanted in favor of Rossi despite the fact that he's nowhere's near the front in points. Does that about cover it?

Only real disappointment is that Dovi wasn't on the same tires as Iannone. He's still the more tactical and experienced rider and so much better on the brakes.

Nice to see a duc win finally. Should have happened months ago.

Marquez is a hard ......., and did enough even though he rode the wheels off it again. Lorenzo is back, he is mentally bullet proof. And .... hot out of turn 2.

Rossi is old and could not stop the bike. He should just quit, can't even beat his teammate on his favoured hard tyres and when lorenzos confidence is rock bottom, oh dear.

Crutchlow was thinking about his child at the start.

Nice race, track seemed clunky in places and didn't flow but great in other sectors.

Pass by Lorenzo to jump 2 spots into 2nd was nice.

Great to see a Ducati win.

Agree with whoever posted the Duc's looked very strong and minimised losses during the race rather then go all out. It really was just a matter of which one took the win.

Glad to see Lorenzo ride like that. If anything he may bag the win on the Ducati iN Austria next year.

Little Walter said:

...... The usual guys trotting out the flea bitten rag of conspiracies over how everything is slanted in favor of Rossi despite the fact that he's nowhere's near the front in points. Does that about cover it?

Only real disappointment is that Dovi wasn't on the same tires as Iannone. He's still the more tactical and experienced rider and so much better on the brakes.

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No, it doesn't cover the fact that the Yamaha guys had crappy chairs. Apparently their fancy rider chairs were stolen out of the garage, which directly led them to finishing down in the order. Poor VR had to sit on some convention folding pos, which we know just ruins your back when you are over thirty. I call shenanigans. And the Honda still isn't that great, so I figure they stole Yamaha's chairs, not Ducati. Without MM saving a tuck with his elbow and having to seriously work to stay ahead of the Suzuki, Honda would have poo to show for the weekend. They only lost 5 to JLo and MM has his fancy chair. Win-win for the cheaters ....... (fill in here with your favorite) or those .......s at Honda. :spin:

MdubSTYLIE said:

Dani & Dovi the ultimate motogp fluffers.

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Maybe, but at least Dani has more race wins than many who have won titles, something a huge number of riders would happily give their left or right testicle for (and if Bruce Jenner was racing, would happily give both testicles to have done)

Little Walter said:

Wrong? You? Heavens! Could be worse. I could use an avatar of a grumpy looking geezer balefully staring out at everyone with what might be interpreted as loathing and contempt to project an inflated sense of superiority. Then again - it might just be an avatar.

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Abe Simpson?

Gaz said:

Abe Simpson?

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Does he have an onion on his belt?
If not, it must be ACBC in full wide-boy, speed-taking embezzlement mode.

Little Walter said:

Nothing about the race? Is that so?

Didn't realize you were the appointed arbiter of what constitutes substantial. Was this something everybody got together to vote on?


There doesn't really seem to be that much to say about the race. Everybody was predicting dominance by the Ducs and Marquez taking it easy to finish in the top five to keep his points advantage. Rossi shadowed Lorenzo and didn't really do much else. A bunch of guys jumped the light. The usual characters squabbling over whether or not Lorenzo got a tow. The usual guys trotting out the flea bitten rag of conspiracies over how everything is slanted in favor of Rossi despite the fact that he's nowhere's near the front in points. Does that about cover it?

Only real disappointment is that Dovi wasn't on the same tires as Iannone. He's still the more tactical and experienced rider and so much better on the brakes.

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Again, you guys continue to cry conspiracy theory (while conveniently not addressing their/our actual arguments) in regard to a few guys on an obscure MotoGP forum (the forum itself might qualify as flea-bitten admittedly given the spam problems of recent times) while ignoring your boy having promulgated the mother of all conspiracy theories to the world media lat large last year; look up your own definition of irony.

Why does any conspiracy need to be invoked in regard to tyre changes in premier class GP bike racing over the last decade anyway?. Dorna have manipulated the tyres quite openly. It is a matter of historical record that the control tyre disadvantaged Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasakl to the extent of the latter two leaving the sport, permanently at this time in Kawasaki's case, that a midseason change in 2012 disadvantaged Honda, and that less popular riders have concomitantly been disadvantaged, such as Casey Stoner twice, and both Lorenzo and Pedrosa this year with Michelin replacing Bridgestone.

Whether the changes have been made deliberately to advantage Rossi is another question, but that he hasn't won titles recently is hardly evidence against this; the possibility at least exists that his "natural" finishing position in the championship at his current age is 4th where he finished in 2013.