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Wondering the same thing, curious as to how he has decided that team that pours millions of dollars into racing in the sport we love doesn't "deserve" to win.
Every person and team in that field deserve to win, because they are there, and they got there somehow, which is more than 99.996 percent of riders in this world have done.
That was probably the most ignorant comment I've read so far in this forum, which is saying a lot.


Ignorance would be believing more than half the grid is actually there on anything resembling merit. A large majority of the grid is not there due to a meritocracy, or anything closely resembling such a thing.

Pouring millions into racing doesn't entitle you to, or make you somehow deserving of a win. That you actually believe this tells me you're an ..... who believes in fairy tales.

They don't deserve to win because they don't worship at the altar of Lotus' standards of excellence, ie; they don't have his hero Stoner riding for them anymore. They should have packed up and gone home after Stoner went to Honda. Imagine, Ducati having the impudence to spend all that money and work so hard putting together the best people they could afford and flying all over the world trying to win a race, without Lotus' blessing. Tch tch. They should have known better.
 
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Any idea what Laverty's finger waving at Iannone was about??

He certainly wanted AI out the way at the practise start.

https://twitter.com/victorlluch/status/764082889893879809?s=09

Laverty accuses Iannone of having "no respect for anybody"

Eugene Laverty has harshly criticised fellow MotoGP rider Andrea Iannone as someone who has "no respect" after the pair's run-in in the closing stages of second practice at the Red Bull Ring.

The duo were locked in a heated discussion ahead of the post-session practice starts, with Ducati works rider Iannone unhappy about Laverty's behaviour on the final lap and the Aspar Ducati man not taking kindly to the Italian's critiques.

"My last lap was my fastest, and he had to overtake me," explained Laverty. "And then afterwards, when we stopped for the practice start, he pointed at his head, pointed at his eyes and told me I had to look where I was going, look out for him, more or less let him past.

"He's speaking like I was cruising, and I wasn't."

The Northern Irishman's final flyer had put him 21st overall, 2.5s off second-placed Iannone.

"He's got no respect for anybody," Laverty added. "I told him 'what the f**k, are you kidding me?'. He needs to have respect.

"If a rider's cruising and they [others] get annoyed, I can understand that, but if you don't respect all the other riders - especially you could see on the timesheets, my last lap was my fastest. Slower than him, but it was my lap.

"This guy, he's been doing crazy things all year, and that for me was the icing on the cake. He's been doing things like that all year. How in your head can you think that that's okay to tell another rider that 'you need to leave the track'?

"I've done my fastest lap, I'm not going to move, he has to overtake me. What was he thinking? Of course, for a guy who calls himself 'Crazy Joe', as soon as I raised my voice, he rode away.

"It's the only thing that makes me angry, because I race with respect. He has to respect everybody, especially the guys going 300km/h with you. You have to respect all the other guys.

"And I think most of the other guys out there do, we're all brought up doing the same thing, from kids, riding since we're five years old, we learn to respect everybody you ride against. My parents taught me, I keep the same mentality.

"We're at the top level, he's a role model for other guys, for kids looking at him. That's not the way you should be acting."

"No problem" with Laverty, Iannone insists

When Laverty's comments were relayed to him, Iannone asked: "I don't have respect for other riders? Why?

"No, I told him, I tried to explain, my English is very bad, no? it's possible he didn't understand very well. I think after the media debriefing I'll come and I'll try to explain one more time, I think it's better.

"I tried to explain 'Eugene, the next time you pay a little bit more attention', because when I tried to pass him, I braked very late, because it's my fast lap - and he braked after me.

"When I go inside the corner, the corner 4, if I don't pick up the bike, it's a complete disaster, he'd touch me and we'd crash both.

"But okay, no problem. I'm not angry with him and I don't have a problem with him. It's practice, no problem."




That was probably the most ignorant comment I've read so far in this forum, which is saying a lot.


Nowhere near the most ignorant comment I have ever read on this forum, ...., given some of the comments around October 2015 JPS' thought fall into the barely there in terms of ingnorant

That said, my take is that every single mother ....... team or rider deserves a win if they can get it.

Nobody would say that MarcVDS weren't as deserving of a win as the Factory teams.

As for me, I fully expect Ducati to win this year but the more I see and read from Ianonne, the more I hope it is Dovi or better yet, Redding in a wet one.
 
If a rider gets hurt from a front end crash this year (it's amazing it hasn't yet happened) they can thank Michelin for colluding with Dorna's demands they provide everyone with a Rossi-spec front tire.

The commentators (and sport media in general) are chickenshit to keep pumping in the narrative that Lorenzo's travails are a "crisis of confidence" when it quite obvious it's a 'crisis of integrity in tire development'. It's not as obvious to these fools because Marquez has been able to work with it by a coincidence of bike and rider. But the Michelin has all but taken out the few contender that would have challenged Rossi. They have another half season to get it right. Next year I expect Dorna-Rossi to get another ........ title, god knows their will to stack the deck is unabashed.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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I'm generally of the opinion that if a rider and bike make it to the end of the race in first place then they deserved the win.

Signing a proven championship winning rider even if he might not suit the bike has no bearing whatsoever on if they 'deserve' to win the race. Heck why even line up at all with that way of looking at it.
 
I'm just surprised that people here are arguing/debating over something that doesnt have to do with how much Rossi is or isn't an ...
 
If a rider gets hurt from a front end crash this year (it's amazing it hasn't yet happened) they can thank Michelin for colluding with Dorna's demands they provide everyone with a Rossi-spec front tire.

The commentators (and sport media in general) are chickenshit to keep pumping in the narrative that Lorenzo's travails are a "crisis of confidence" when it quite obvious it's a 'crisis of integrity in tire development'. It's not as obvious to these fools because Marquez has been able to work with it by a coincidence of bike and rider. But the Michelin has all but taken out the few contender that would have challenged Rossi. They have another half season to get it right. Next year I expect Dorna-Rossi to get another ........ title, god knows their will to stack the deck is unabashed.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

If you will remember, when we were talking about tires for the upcoming season, i said they could .... over Lorenzo in their attempt to build the Rossi centric tire but it would only eliminate half of Rossi's problem, the other half being Marquez who also likes a stiffer carcass for his heavy braking and front bias riding style. It does get Rossi one step closer to a title in that they can eliminate 1 of the main contenders, but something will have to happen to Marquez for Rossi to beat him over the course of a season.
 
I'm just surprised that people here are arguing/debating over something that doesnt have to do with how much Rossi is or isn't an ...

This has been done to death already,but just for your benefit he isn't just any old ..., but the #1 alpha ....
 
If a rider gets hurt from a front end crash this year (it's amazing it hasn't yet happened) they can thank Michelin for colluding with Dorna's demands they provide everyone with a Rossi-spec front tire.

The commentators (and sport media in general) are chickenshit to keep pumping in the narrative that Lorenzo's travails are a "crisis of confidence" when it quite obvious it's a 'crisis of integrity in tire development'. It's not as obvious to these fools because Marquez has been able to work with it by a coincidence of bike and rider. But the Michelin has all but taken out the few contender that would have challenged Rossi. They have another half season to get it right. Next year I expect Dorna-Rossi to get another ........ title, god knows their will to stack the deck is unabashed.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Lorenzo didn't have confidence on Bridgestones whenever he didn't have edge grip. The Michelin tire construction changed after two catastrophic blow outs (Baz & Redding)... there was no secret meeting with Rossi. Rossi actually spoke out against the change in construction stating it was only Ducati that was experiencing a problem.

There was plenty of front end crashes last year. Proof of Bridgestone colluding with Dorna or riders simply riding on the very limit and making a mistake? Human riders.... human error?

Not being able to ride around a lack of perfect grip has always been a weakness for Lorenzo, funny how now it's your smoking gun for proof of a tire conspiracy with Michelin.
 
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I'm just surprised that people here are arguing/debating over something that doesnt have to do with how much Rossi is or isn't an ...

Give it time, we will involve him somehow so that the usual suspects can copy and paste their responses to save typing time :p


Lorenzo didn't have confidence on Bridgestones whenever he didn't have edge grip. The Michelin tire construction changed after two catastrophic blow outs (Baz & Redding)... there was no secret meeting with Rossi. Rossi actually spoke out against the change in construction stating it was only Ducati that was experiencing a problem.

There was plenty of front end crashes last year. Proof of Bridgestone colluding with Dorna or riders simply riding on the very limit and making a mistake? Human riders.... human error?

Not being able to ride around a lack of perfect grip has always been a weakness for Lorenzo, funny how now it's your smoking gun for proof of a tire conspiracy with Michelin.

Bridgestone also changed their tyre construction from time to time and JL managed to continue and remain competitive.

For mine (conspiracy hat on here), I do not think the issue is Michelin as such, but a combination of Yamaha and Michelin and whilst you or others may argue as to why the same is not being experienced on the #1 side of the garage, I will counter by saying the #1 has had far more falls than is his usual yearly total.
 
Lorenzo didn't have confidence on Bridgestones whenever he didn't have edge grip. The Michelin tire construction changed after two catastrophic blow outs (Baz & Redding)... there was no secret meeting with Rossi. Rossi actually spoke out against the change in construction stating it was only Ducati that was experiencing a problem.

There was plenty of front end crashes last year. Proof of Bridgestone colluding with Dorna or riders simply riding on the very limit and making a mistake? Human riders.... human error?

Not being able to ride around a lack of perfect grip has always been a weakness for Lorenzo, funny how now it's your smoking gun for proof of a tire conspiracy with Michelin.



The tyre failures were rear tyres. Funny how the front tyres that Lorenzo favoured disappeared after rear tyre problems isn't it? Rossi spoke out against changing the rear tyres as it impacted on Yamaha's grip levels. He never once spoke out against going to a harder front, in fact he probably rejoiced in that happening.
Not being able to get the best from the soft grippy tyres has always been a problem for Rossi, that's why he constantly whinges for harder tyres when this occurs.
Marquez too suffers on the soft tyres, as the sidewalls flex too much under his hugely heavy braking. Unlike Rossi he keeps his head down and gets on with it.
This guy will eclipse all Rossi's achievements and more...
 
Give it time, we will involve him somehow so that the usual suspects can copy and paste their responses to save typing time :p




Bridgestone also changed their tyre construction from time to time and JL managed to continue and remain competitive.

For mine (conspiracy hat on here), I do not think the issue is Michelin as such, but a combination of Yamaha and Michelin and whilst you or others may argue as to why the same is not being experienced on the #1 side of the garage, I will counter by saying the #1 has had far more falls than is his usual yearly total.

Yamaha has been very strong at every round except for when it has been cool & damp. Their weakness when it comes to getting heat into tires on cool track is a strength when they race in warm weather since they M1 shouldn't cook its' tires.

I'm glad there's a learning curve for the riders & teams after switching to Michelins. These riders are billed as being the best of the best, they should all be able to adapt.

Rossi's falls indicates he's having to learn and adapt along with everyone else. He didn't blame the tires after any of his crashes, he shouldered the blame himself and said it was his mistake.
 
The tyre failures were rear tyres. Funny how the front tyres that Lorenzo favoured disappeared after rear tyre problems isn't it? Rossi spoke out against changing the rear tyres as it impacted on Yamaha's grip levels. He never once spoke out against going to a harder front, in fact he probably rejoiced in that happening.
Not being able to get the best from the soft grippy tyres has always been a problem for Rossi, that's why he constantly whinges for harder tyres when this occurs.
Marquez too suffers on the soft tyres, as the sidewalls flex too much under his hugely heavy braking. Unlike Rossi he keeps his head down and gets on with it.
This guy will eclipse all Rossi's achievements and more...

Tire compounds and construction will continue to change. The challenge for the teams & riders is to get the best performance out of whatever tires the manufacturer make available race weekend. Track surface & condition plays a big role in the types of tires the manufacturer will provide. It's not suspect that a set of front tires that Lorenzo liked aren't available for him each and every round. That's like saying it's funny how GP doesn't race at Le Mans for every round since Lorenzo favors that track.
 
Tire compounds and construction will continue to change. The challenge for the teams & riders is to get the best performance out of whatever tires the manufacturer make available race weekend. Track surface & condition plays a big role in the types of tires the manufacturer will provide. It's not suspect that a set of front tires that Lorenzo liked aren't available for him each and every round. That's like saying it's funny how GP doesn't race at Le Mans for every round since Lorenzo favors that track.



Marquez and Dani certainly both thought it was highly suspicious when the soft tyres were not used at Assen last season, both voicing derisive comments about the tyres being withdrawn for safety reasons.
Why wouldn't it be reasonable to query why perfectly performing front tyres were changed after a problem with rear tyres?
 
Marquez and Dani certainly both thought it was highly suspicious when the soft tyres were not used at Assen last season, both voicing derisive comments about the tyres being withdrawn for safety reasons.
Why wouldn't it be reasonable to query why perfectly performing front tyres were changed after a problem with rear tyres?

Your question is for someone with far more insider knowledge than either of us have. We do not know how well the old front would work with the new rear. The issue with soft tires is usually related to longevity. Providing soft tires only for them to start chunking halfway though the race isn't good for anyone (we don't need another COTA 2014).
 
I thought the highlighted comment from Laverty was interesting:

Not for the first time in 2016 Andrea Iannone has incurred the wrath of a member of the MotoGP contingent after an incident with Eugene Laverty on Friday afternoon led the Northern Irishman to brand him as disrespectful.

The two Ducati men found themselves on track together in the closing seconds of FP2, with both on course to better their fastest times. With Laverty initially ahead, Iannone was frustrated in an attempt to get by.

It appears the Italian felt it would have been more beneficial for the Aspar Ducati man to move aside and follow him, something that enraged Laverty when Iannone made this suggestion.

“He has no respect for anybody,” bristled Laverty, who was seen angrily gesticulating in Iannone's direction when they both stopped for a practice start.

“I was doing my fastest lap and he had to overtake me. When I stopped he more or less told me I needed to get out of his way so then I said “What the f**k?! Are you kidding?!” He needs to have respect. If a rider is cruising and in the way then I can understand that.

“I was slower than him but that was my lap. This guy has been doing crazy things all year and that was the icing on the cake for me. How in your head can you think that is OK? To tell another rider to leave the track. For a guy that calls himself 'Crazy Joe' as soon as I raised my voice he rode away…he wasn't so crazy.

“You have to have respect for people when you are racing at 300kmph and most of the guys do because we've all been brought up doing the same thing. Since I was five years old my parents told me to have respect and I keep that same mentality.

“To be at the top level he is a role model for other guys and he shouldn't be acting that way in that position,” said Laverty, who ended the day 21st fastest.

When pressed on the incident, Iannone feigned indignation, and pointed to his level of spoken English as reason for the misunderstanding. “He said I not respect other riders,” he pondered. “Why?”

“I talk with him and I tried to explain. But my English is very bad and is possible he don't understand me very well. But for sure I try my best [to speak good English] always, but I think after the media briefing I come and try to explain more time. I think it is better.

“But no, I tried to explain Eugene the next time you pay a little bit more attention. Because when I tried to pass him, I brake very late because it was my fast lap – and he braked after me!

“But he looked [saw] me. And when I go inside corner four, I pick up the bike. If I did not pick up the bike he would be off. It would be a complete disaster because I think we would both crash.

“But no problem. I'm not angry with him and never have a problem with him because it's practice not over and I understand he push very fast for his fast lap. But is better he follow me, because he look me and stay on the rear and arrive.”

Upon learning of Iannone's comments, Laverty took to Twitter to challenge the factory Ducati man's contention that he had nearly caused a crash. “@andreaiannone29 is delusional,” he wrote. “Datalogging proved this 'incident' of his never even occurred.”

Iannone ended the day second fastest, 0.23s slower than team-mate Andrea Dovizioso.
Read more at MotoGP News - MotoGP Austria: Laverty: Iannone has no respect for anybody
 
Shocking to see Dani crash because the brake appeared to lock on him. Very odd considering the heat needed to get the carbon brakes to even stop a bike. That mechanical error could spook him for the weekend.

While the factory Ducs seem to be way ahead, this is not the overwhelming Duc dominance I expected on day one. This may not be a runaway. I seriously doubt that MM will be starting tenth on Sunday. And Rossi looks as solid as usual in practice for this year.
 
Was it Eugene or Michael that said he would get out of Rossi’s way and respect the unwritten Rossi Rule? Someone remind me. I forgot which one to hate.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
Was it Eugene or Michael that said he would get out of Rossi’s way and respect the unwritten Rossi Rule? Someone remind me. I forgot which one to hate.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Pretty sure it was Michael
 
Shocking to see Dani crash because the brake appeared to lock on him. Very odd considering the heat needed to get the carbon brakes to even stop a bike. That mechanical error could spook him for the weekend.

While the factory Ducs seem to be way ahead, this is not the overwhelming Duc dominance I expected on day one. This may not be a runaway. I seriously doubt that MM will be starting tenth on Sunday. And Rossi looks as solid as usual in practice for this year.

I wonder if Marquez down in 10th could be in part due to lack of testing at the track where as the other guys got a full 2 days. Still a while to go so I'm sure things will change
 

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