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Most of the top riders, have had their fair share of gaffs and instances of poor judgement and in some cases, dangerous behavior and if you took them one by one and added up the stats for each rider, Rossi wouldn't look quite so bad. But because he's "The Goat" everybody puts a magnifying glass over him and largely gives the others a pass. It's not unlike the Trump effect, though I don't consider them to be equally detestable. But you get the idea. For some racing is the greatest sport. For others it's a religion. Religious types always require a Devil to pit themselves against.

Actually this is absolutely incorrect.

He's been protected by the media at large. If you'll recall, the media took a very delicate approach with the Sepang 2015 incident, and most refused to call him out on any of his behavior prior to the race, and even after. Their judgment was instead reserved for calling out the supposed poor behavior of one Marc Marquez. The agreed upon narrative by most of the media, along with the majority of GP fans --no doubt influenced by the media's concocted tale-- all called attention to MM, who in the words of many, rode to .... with Rossi. It couldn't possibly have been a case of him racing. In fact, many believed MM had a divine duty to pull aside for Rossi as he chased his 8th premier class title. Even Kropo who went further than anyone in calling out Rossi, still didn't miss an opportunity to assign blame to MM based on nothing more than VR's rantings about Phillip Island...who everyone decided was race of the year, if not the decade till VR released his cockamamie theory that the media/fans ran with as gospel.

Your claim that others are given a pass is an outright fabrication that holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. A number of us were speaking out about MM's dangerous riding last year saying that it was going to kill someone at the rate he was going. The core of this forum has been remarkably consistent in calling a spade, a spade. You seem to be viewing this forum as some sort of accurate representation of what the GP fanbase at large believes when you feel it advances your argument. This place represents a distinct minority among the GP fanbase. But what's amusing about that, is that many newer posters come to a conclusion they have to defend Rossi here because the forum is not pro-Rossi. There were a whole slew that came and went around the time of Sepang and Valencia. Even among semi-active posters, there's a number who only show up when they can crow about a Rossi victory, or the possibility of a Rossi victory.

To say that Rossi wouldn't look so bad when compared with the gaffs of others is another ridiculous statement. No other rider with the exception of the esteemed safety advisor to MotoGP, Loris Capirossi, ever pulled a stunt to the likes of which VR pulled at Sepang 2015. It was an incredibly dangerous move that has been rationalized and defended to no end due to ignorance for what can go wrong even at a "lower" speed. And it was performed by a man who up to that point had 15 years in the premier class, over 80 wins, and 7 world titles. That was absolutely inexcusable for a rider of his caliber. A black flag worthy and suspension worthy event was reduced by Dorna/race direction so as not to ....-up the season-ender in Valencia.

Keep in mind, I'm not accounting even for the numerous other incidents where the media has ignored all questionable, or bad behavior from Rossi because it doesn't fit the "Rossi as a fun lovable race winning champion rider" narrative that's been spewed ad nauseum for over a decade. At the end of it, this is the only forum that doesn't tolerate Rossi's ........, nor any other riders.
 
Actually this is absolutely incorrect.

He's been protected by the media at large. If you'll recall, the media took a very delicate approach with the Sepang 2015 incident, and most refused to call him out on any of his behavior prior to the race, and even after. Their judgment was instead reserved for calling out the supposed poor behavior of one Marc Marquez. The agreed upon narrative by most of the media, along with the majority of GP fans --no doubt influenced by the media's concocted tale-- all called attention to MM, who in the words of many, rode to .... with Rossi. It couldn't possibly have been a case of him racing. In fact, many believed MM had a divine duty to pull aside for Rossi as he chased his 8th premier class title. Even Kropo who went further than anyone in calling out Rossi, still didn't miss an opportunity to assign blame to MM based on nothing more than VR's rantings about Phillip Island...who everyone decided was race of the year, if not the decade till VR released his cockamamie theory that the media/fans ran with as gospel.

Your claim that others are given a pass is an outright fabrication that holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. A number of us were speaking out about MM's dangerous riding last year saying that it was going to kill someone at the rate he was going. The core of this forum has been remarkably consistent in calling a spade, a spade. You seem to be viewing this forum as some sort of accurate representation of what the GP fanbase at large believes when you feel it advances your argument. This place represents a distinct minority among the GP fanbase. But what's amusing about that, is that many newer posters come to a conclusion they have to defend Rossi here because the forum is not pro-Rossi. There were a whole slew that came and went around the time of Sepang and Valencia. Even among semi-active posters, there's a number who only show up when they can crow about a Rossi victory, or the possibility of a Rossi victory.

To say that Rossi wouldn't look so bad when compared with the gaffs of others is another ridiculous statement. No other rider with the exception of the esteemed safety advisor to MotoGP, Loris Capirossi, ever pulled a stunt to the likes of which VR pulled at Sepang 2015. It was an incredibly dangerous move that has been rationalized and defended to no end due to ignorance for what can go wrong even at a "lower" speed. And it was performed by a man who up to that point had 15 years in the premier class, over 80 wins, and 7 world titles. That was absolutely inexcusable for a rider of his caliber. A black flag worthy and suspension worthy event was reduced by Dorna/race direction so as not to ....-up the season-ender in Valencia.

Keep in mind, I'm not accounting even for the numerous other incidents where the media has ignored all questionable, or bad behavior from Rossi because it doesn't fit the "Rossi as a fun lovable race winning champion rider" narrative that's been spewed ad nauseum for over a decade. At the end of it, this is the only forum that doesn't tolerate Rossi's ........, nor any other riders.

Agree about the media. They clearly soft-pedal all his ......... I was talking about the fans who hold him up to such close scrutiny. Same goes for Marquez - whose practice lap stupidity was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Rossi's move at Sepang was more egregious because it was virtually premeditated. However, the whole Spanish Inquisition manner in which fans see evil coming out every pore in Rossi's body, started years ago; not just post Sepang. I've always seen through his clowny-boy act, but tried to maintain some semblance of objectivity because he has given the fans some really great races. Like him or not, you got to admit some of his races against Lorenzo and Stoner between 2007 and 2009 were pretty damned entertaining.
 
Agree about the media. They clearly soft-pedal all his ......... I was talking about the fans who hold him up to such close scrutiny. Same goes for Marquez - whose practice lap stupidity was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Rossi's move at Sepang was more egregious because it was virtually premeditated. However, the whole Spanish Inquisition manner in which fans see evil coming out every pore in Rossi's body, started years ago; not just post Sepang. I've always seen through his clowny-boy act, but tried to maintain some semblance of objectivity because he has given the fans some really great races. Like him or not, you got to admit some of his races against Lorenzo and Stoner between 2007 and 2009 were pretty damned entertaining.
I have no problem acknowledging Rossi's greatness as a rider, and I think all his titles involved him being the best rider that year. I actually go with J4rn0's view that he had the advantages which usually accrue to the top rider, and are arguably earned by him, and the SNS tyre thing for instance whilst inequitable in general was in existence before him.

I do think Dorna have serially manipulated the tyres with varying motives, and sure ineptitude is always a consideration when they are involved, but I do believe on occasion they have been at least partially motivated by thwarting unpopular riders.

I originally took issue as did others with elements among Rossi fandom rather than Rossi himself, and in particular with the reverse of what you disagree with now, the contention that Hayden and Stoner only beat Rossi because they had advantages, a view both widely prevalent and wildly promulgated and probably formative of the attitude of many on here.

I agree in general that Rossi has historically been a very safe rider, much safer than MM has been until quite recently, and would call only Jerez 2005 and Sepang 2015 genuinely "dirty".

My animus against Rossi is because of his off-track manipulations, and specifically that he has imo been fully complicit in the discrediting and vilification of his major rivals. Lorenzo feeling the need in the prime of his career to leave the team for which he has won 3 titles and 42 races has hardened my attitude. Old or young, I don't think Rossi's use of his fanbase as a weapon against his rivals is defensible.

You initially on this thread seemed to be among those who were wont to cry conspiracy theory in response to arguments they didn't like or couldn't answer, but you have now argued your position rather eloquently, and hence I can no longer have a problem while not necessarily agreeing with everything you have argued.
 
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............ Rossi wouldn't look quite so bad. But because he's "The Goat" everybody puts a magnifying glass over him and largely gives the others a pass. .

It is also because of this that HE gets so many 'pass' marks when others are pilloried for similar or even lesser actions.

When you are the golden goose, you have a distinct advantage and extreme power that you can (even unwittingly) wield and I have no doubt that VR knows this is to his strength and thus he will get pass marks where others get failures.

But, as I have said many many times, there are very very few people in the world who would have the level of influence and choose not to use it to their benefit, particularly in what is a selfish sport/world
 
Been busy helping a sick friend and raising two three-month-old pups and too exhausted to really participate. So checking in. Thought it was a great race. I have no familiarity with the the track from previous years when I'd stopped watching, so nothing to compare to - but I thought it flowed really well. I'm curious if anyone knows of any feed-back from the riders about it. Happy to see the Ducatis do well. I don't agree that the results were an anomaly. There were two races earlier in the season where the Ducatis were in place to be take two steps on the podium, thwarted once by ..... Iannone and the other time by featherweight Pedrosa. I hate to engage in woulda, coulda, shoulda... but, I can't help but speculate how much of a confidence boost Dovi would have had, were it not for the interference by his teammate and then Pedrosa. By all rights he ought to have podiumed at least twice before Austria. Sorry to see punk-... Iannone take it, but for the sake of Gigi and all those who put in so much hard work at Ducati, I'm happy the drought has ended. I'm hoping they haven't peaked for the season, and do wonder what they will do to compensate next year for missing winglets and wonder if the other teams will suffer equal loss of advantage.

Interesting quote from Marquez

“After how yesterday went, I’m happy with today’s race. My shoulder didn’t hurt at any time during the race, so no excuses there. I would have taken fifth position if it were offered to me before starting the race. I knew the Ducatis and Yamahas were fast, so this was the best possible outcome and it’s positive that we’ve only lost five points compared to Lorenzo. Given the difficulties we’ve had, it was clear that our objective was to think of the fight for the Championship. I started aggressively, as it was the only way of trying to fight with the front group, but after making a couple of mistakes I lost the slipstream and it was very difficult to recover from that.”
 
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Been busy helping a sick friend and raising two three-year-old pups and too exhausted to really participate. So checking in. Thought it was a great race. I have no familiarity with the the track from previous years when I'd stopped watching, so nothing to compare to - but I thought it flowed really well. I'm curious if anyone knows of any feed-back from the riders about it. Happy to see the Ducatis do well. I don't agree that the results were an anomaly. There were two races earlier in the season where the Ducatis were in place to be take two steps on the podium, thwarted once by ..... Iannone and the other time by featherweight Pedrosa. I hate to engage in woulda, coulda, shoulda... but, I can't help but speculate how much of a confidence boost Dovi would have had, were it not for the interference by his teammate and then Pedrosa. By all rights he ought to have podiumed at least twice before Austria. Sorry to see punk-... Iannone take it, but for the sake of Gigi and all those who put in so much hard work at Ducati, I'm happy the drought has ended. I'm hoping they haven't peaked for the season, and do wonder what they will do to compensate next year for missing winglets and wonder if the other teams will suffer equal loss of advantage.


The result was not an anomaly as it was predicted by just about everyone that has been following. The Ducati is no doubt a competitive machine and is capable of winning at a handful of tracks with the Austrian track seemingly designed by Ducati themselves. It showcased Ducati's strengths, Hp, putting hp to the ground, and stable braking. They were so sure of the win, they didnt even bother to go full power until six laps to go and really didnt need it then. They just wanted to make sure on fuel and a little more separation so when AI and AD started fighting for the win, Yamaha didnt slip in and take a spot.
 
Agree about the media. They clearly soft-pedal all his ......... I was talking about the fans who hold him up to such close scrutiny....... However, the whole Spanish Inquisition manner in which fans see evil coming out every pore in Rossi's body, started years ago; not just post Sepang.....
Where are these "fans"? This is the only site or place that I know of where Rossi is treated with skepticism and even disdain. If you are referring to this site, then you are only talking about a handful of people. And that don't count for much, compared to the tens-of-thousands wearing 46 yellow each race weekend. It's like a lemming banana split in the stands. And I am not sure half those people even know what the hell bikes are racing.
 
Been busy helping a sick friend and raising two three-year-old pups and too exhausted to really participate. So checking in. Thought it was a great race. I have no familiarity with the the track from previous years when I'd stopped watching, so nothing to compare to - but I thought it flowed really well. I'm curious if anyone knows of any feed-back from the riders about it. Happy to see the Ducatis do well. I don't agree that the results were an anomaly. There were two races earlier in the season where the Ducatis were in place to be take two steps on the podium, thwarted once by ..... Iannone and the other time by featherweight Pedrosa. I hate to engage in woulda, coulda, shoulda... but, I can't help but speculate how much of a confidence boost Dovi would have had, were it not for the interference by his teammate and then Pedrosa. By all rights he ought to have podiumed at least twice before Austria. Sorry to see punk-... Iannone take it, but for the sake of Gigi and all those who put in so much hard work at Ducati, I'm happy the drought has ended. I'm hoping they haven't peaked for the season, and do wonder what they will do to compensate next year for missing winglets and wonder if the other teams will suffer equal loss of advantage.

Interesting quote from Marquez

“After how yesterday went, I’m happy with today’s race. My shoulder didn’t hurt at any time during the race, so no excuses there. I would have taken fifth position if it were offered to me before starting the race. I knew the Ducatis and Yamahas were fast, so this was the best possible outcome and it’s positive that we’ve only lost five points compared to Lorenzo. Given the difficulties we’ve had, it was clear that our objective was to think of the fight for the Championship. I started aggressively, as it was the only way of trying to fight with the front group, but after making a couple of mistakes I lost the slipstream and it was very difficult to recover from that.”

Shame he can't be that honest about PI and Rathapark Willarot.
I could allow myself to like him
 
Where are these "fans"? This is the only site or place that I know of where Rossi is treated with skepticism and even disdain. If you are referring to this site, then you are only talking about a handful of people. And that don't count for much, compared to the tens-of-thousands wearing 46 yellow each race weekend. It's like a lemming banana split in the stands. And I am not sure half those people even know what the hell bikes are racing.

Well... this site isn't the only one where fans are critical of Rossi. Personally - as someone who's never been one to follow sheep, and who enjoys critical thinking, as opposed to mindless adulation, I find Powerslide to be the best all around site for this sport. I'm a member at several others but this is really the best informed group I've encountered. Statistically speaking, the great majority of people out there are not very smart - so if the number of people critical of Rossi are small, that doesn't make them any less legitimate. Remember, Galileo was at one point the only guy who believed the earth traveled around the sun, and the masses believed Aristotle's theory that things fell to earth because it was their nature to do so until Newton came along, and not so long ago there was only one guy who understood the E = mc2 theory while the remaining billions in this world lived in ignorance.

Some folks think the world revolves around Rossi. And you?
 
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Been busy helping a sick friend and raising two three-year-old pups and too exhausted to really participate. So checking in. Thought it was a great race. I have no familiarity with the the track from previous years when I'd stopped watching, so nothing to compare to - but I thought it flowed really well. I'm curious if anyone knows of any feed-back from the riders about it. Happy to see the Ducatis do well. I don't agree that the results were an anomaly. There were two races earlier in the season where the Ducatis were in place to be take two steps on the podium, thwarted once by ..... Iannone and the other time by featherweight Pedrosa. I hate to engage in woulda, coulda, shoulda... but, I can't help but speculate how much of a confidence boost Dovi would have had, were it not for the interference by his teammate and then Pedrosa. By all rights he ought to have podiumed at least twice before Austria. Sorry to see punk-... Iannone take it, but for the sake of Gigi and all those who put in so much hard work at Ducati, I'm happy the drought has ended. I'm hoping they haven't peaked for the season, and do wonder what they will do to compensate next year for missing winglets and wonder if the other teams will suffer equal loss of advantage.

Interesting quote from Marquez

“After how yesterday went, I’m happy with today’s race. My shoulder didn’t hurt at any time during the race, so no excuses there. I would have taken fifth position if it were offered to me before starting the race. I knew the Ducatis and Yamahas were fast, so this was the best possible outcome and it’s positive that we’ve only lost five points compared to Lorenzo. Given the difficulties we’ve had, it was clear that our objective was to think of the fight for the Championship. I started aggressively, as it was the only way of trying to fight with the front group, but after making a couple of mistakes I lost the slipstream and it was very difficult to recover from that.”

As a Ducati fan I am happy for them to win again as well.

I also was going for Dovi but you you can only give credit to Iannone for the race he rode on this occasion.
 
Povol, I'm shocked.

PI was clearly an attempt to help Lorenzo by beating him and taking away 5 valuable points he could have used.
Many epiphets could be applied to the Willairot incident, reckless, idiotic, negligent, semi-suicidal, and failed manslaughter among them, but not dishonest imo. I don't see MM, whatever his faults in the past, as being a dissembler at all, then or now.
 
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is this Barry Weiss from ~Storage Wars~ in Ducati`s pitbox? can anybody confirm?
 

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No blame from Marquez here .............. MotoGP Phillip Island: Marquez penalised for Wilairot smash - Bikesport News



Marquez said of the accident: "It was a very tough day, a day to forget, and that is what we are going to do. It was all very strange, with unusual things, such as the morning crash, when I made a mistake. I was too fast and when I step on the grass I fell. When the session was about to finish I went out to do a lap and check that everything was fine after the crash. When the session was over and after the finish line, I was finishing the lap to go back to the garage when in the third corner —which is very fast— I saw a rider. I was not going too fast, but the track is very fast and in that corner, which is normally taken in fifth, I was maybe on fourth.


"When the other rider got out of the way I saw that Wilairot was behind him and I was not able to brake. I hope he is fine, because it was a hard crash and I was not seriously injured, so I wish him the best. In the afternoon we tried to recover the confidence and the feeling again, because we had to ride with the previous bike, with the old chassis. It took a bit to get used to it again, but we will keep working tomorrow and of course we will not give up. About the penalty there is not much I can say. It was a decision of the Race Direction and we have to respect it, even if we do not agree with it".

- See more at: MotoGP Phillip Island: Marquez penalised for Wilairot smash - Bikesport News
 

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