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I must be more of a rossi fan than I had previously thought because I don't see much to criticise him for in this race. He didn't achieve a good set-up in practice which has seemed to be a problem for him more often than jorge this year, perhaps related to his injuries, not liking the current tyres etc, or even to jorge being really good at setting up the current yamaha on the current tyres.



valentino again showed he is peerless in one on one battles, definitely related to skill, probably also to intestinal fortitude and ruthlessness; I think nicky left a gap for the second pass and I didn't see the early pass. One thing is that valentino seems to choose very carefully whom he takes on in such battles, picking only the skilled riders who are not likely to take him and them out; they don't all necessarily seem to take this as a compliment
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although nicky appeared more concerned about losing the podium rather than the hardness of the pass in this instance.



I don't think he has sent any message to stoner or lorenzo this week-end as both were faster, but this doesn't necessarily have any implications for next year or even next race; jorge, rossi and spies all seemed to think I would assume correctly that conditions were dangerous at times during practice which may have affected their achieving a good set-up.



I don't now know what to make of casey's year; I think one definite factor was that he lost the confidence to push as hard as he usually does after the 2 early dnfs. Otherwise whether he was annoyed by ducati earlier in the year, whether the bike is still on a knife edge and the recent tracks have suited him and the bike better, ducati have upped the power in the late season or bridgestone have changed the tyres I don't know. i would be interested to know what the anti-stoner brigade think was the reason for him and to a lesser extent hayden being so fast here is as the bike doesn't seem to have much if any straight line advantage now; i am willing to concede that valentino and jorge may not have chosen to go flat-out for the whole race at this stage in the season.
 
Don't be so obtuse. I'm not comparing it to club racing. The point is rough or hard passes are not some ethereal high art

only achievable by those at the Olympian heights. Making close clean passes against MGP riders is still harder.

Rossi clearly wasn't capable of passing Hayden in a clean sporting fashion. If he was, he would have done so.



You did bring in club racing, if it was not for comparison then please enlighten me for what purpose. I asked in my previous post but you replied with a simple denial. That smell of a strongly negative comparison that you brought in deliberately. A bit pathetic when you deny it afterwards.

Again you fail to see the "problem". When you are racing against the best in the world any pass is difficult diving on the inside means to be totally on or beyond the limit of front end grip. These guys go into to the turn with an idea that the speed/grip/corner is just about possible to make it stick along apex and ever so often a minor slide bring them wide. That's not your simple hard bully racing.

I agree that a "clean" pass is preferable, but mostly because it's usually less risk involved, secondly it doesn't upset the competitor as much but sporting has nothing to do with it. Just as little as Drity or Desperate has to do with rossi's pass.
 
All i want to know is, between Lorenzo and Rossi, who sent who a message today .
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Message?

Lorenzo finished the race more than 20 seconds slower than Rossi 2009, so Rossi's present setup/shoulder problems are quite apparent and not an excuse, numbers speak. In the three races of the "Eastern" round -- Japan, Malesia, Australia -- Rossi is the rider who collected the most points, spanking Lorenzo directly in the process when the spaniard tried to beat him in a duel. Call it messages, if you want -- the message is Valentino had a very bad year but he's still alive, and kicking
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I don't usually get into these bopper debates because they are pointless, devoid of facts and driven by opinion. but since I started the ball rolling I might as well continue.

I have one question fo those that are tireless defenders of Rossi.



Does Valentino Rossi repeatedly pass harder than any other rider in motogp over the course of the last 10 years.



It's a simple yes or no question.



If yes than why.

If you say he is more skilled than everyone and noone else is capable of it than you are stating your opinion. Have you talked to every other rider and determined that this is a fact?



J4rno. Nice speculative post you wrote as fact. How could you possibly know that every other rider is too chickenshit and Rossi has more balls than anyone.







Rossi has won 9 titles...he knows how to get the job done.
 
Message?

Lorenzo finished the race more than 20 seconds slower than Rossi 2009, so Rossi's present setup/shoulder problems are quite apparent and not an excuse, numbers speak. In the three races of the "Eastern" round -- Japan, Malesia, Australia -- Rossi is the rider who collected the most points, spanking Lorenzo directly in the process when the spaniard tried to beat him in a duel. Call it messages, if you want -- the message is Valentino had a very bad year but he's still alive, and kicking
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didn't lorenzo crash out first corner last year?



lol no messages were delivered or received....... like this happens quite often



OMG rossi wins malaysia gp, puts lorenzo on notice that he's not done yet

lorenzo wins championship...message sent to rossi

stoner making everyone his ..... at PI...message sent blah blah blah



you guys are reaching lol
 
In any other form of racing you would not dare call it dirty ..... What is the problem with you wisels, racing is racing and its not only about taking the fastest line.



Agreed,I`m a staunch Hayden fan but Nicky should`ve seen that coming.The line should`ve been covered!
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Yes where Lorenzo outpaced Rossi by about 10 seconds

Lorenzo. 2nd place quali. 1min 30sec.775

Rossi 8th place quali. 1min 31sec.627

=0.852 secs



http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=13256&view=findpost&p=255649



Tom, on 18 October 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

Yes where Lorenzo outpaced Rossi by about 10 seconds



It was the race ewhere rossi finished 9.399 sec behind lorenzo not quali you fool.

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2010/AUS/MotoGP/RAC

So what was your point ?
 
Dont you think fighting your way through the pack will cost time compared to racing against yourself in a lonely 2nd with clear track ahead ?

Rossi lost over 4 seconds to Lorenzo AFTER he arrived in 3rd place, which was relatively early in the race. Lorenzo had already settled for second and was cruising and still beating Rossi's times.
 
You did bring in club racing, if it was not for comparison then please enlighten me for what purpose. I asked in my previous post but you replied with a simple denial. That smell of a strongly negative comparison that you brought in deliberately. A bit pathetic when you deny it afterwards.

Again you fail to see the "problem". When you are racing against the best in the world any pass is difficult diving on the inside means to be totally on or beyond the limit of front end grip. These guys go into to the turn with an idea that the speed/grip/corner is just about possible to make it stick along apex and ever so often a minor slide bring them wide. That's not your simple hard bully racing.

I agree that a "clean" pass is preferable, but mostly because it's usually less risk involved, secondly it doesn't upset the competitor as much but sporting has nothing to do with it. Just as little as Drity or Desperate has to do with rossi's pass.



Dirty passing/fairing bashing/paint swapping etc - do not require high science or black arts. If club racers

and pros in the AMA can do it - it's not that big a deal for someone like Rossi. Yes they are working with

higher speeds and more competent competitors - but that's well off-set by better chassis, suspension and

tires.



The more I think about this - the more I think that perhaps consciously or unconsciously - this recent spate

of rough riding is Rossi's way of telling everybody he's not too old to race. A bit of alpha-male gorilla

chest beating as it were. He's been so head and shoulders better than Hayden these last 4 seasons -

that he should have been able to pass him cleanly with not overmuch effort, yet it would seem he decided

to do a little ram-like head butting - to let Nicky know his place in the pack. Maybe next

move will be to lift his leg and piss on Nicky's bike.
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Rossi lost over 4 seconds to Lorenzo AFTER he arrived in 3rd place, which was relatively early in the race. Lorenzo had already settled for second and was cruising and still beating Rossi's times.





What a surprise!!! you wrong again. The gap was 6.3 seconds between Rossi and Jorge when Rossi overtook Spies on lap 8.
 
Rossi sent the message...he was the one racing against other riders for positions.......Lorenzo was riding by himself afraid to challenge Stoner for the win.
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Rossi did gain postions from his grid spot.....Lorenzo stayed the same.

Absolutely priceless, and predictable.



Fanboy= a term used to describe a male who is highly devoted and biased in opinion towards a single subject or within a given field.



Example=Rossi sent the message...he was the one racing against other riders for positions..[/b].....Lorenzo was riding by himself afraid to challenge Stoner for the win.
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Rossi did gain postions from his grid spot.....Lorenzo stayed the same.

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In the example above, the Fanboy is a Rossi fan. In his highly devoted, opinionated towards a single subject way, he actually believes that Rossi sent his teammate a message, letting him know who is boss.
 

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