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I agree but would like to add that hayden also added to this entertainment today by coming back with passes. His fan's may be crying about the pass but nicky wasn't
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I agree but would like to add that hayden also added to this entertainment today by coming back with passes. His fan's may be crying about the pass but nicky wasn't
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What a huge pile of ..... What's the matter with you guys. It must be some kind of sickness or something?
That kind of pass IS difficult. To do a smooth pass mean that you have some kind of advantage. To do a tight pass like that and make it stick and not going down is skillful.
We got plenty of examples that show how it end up when they don't master it. Pedrosa comes to mind.
and comparing that kind of crap racing with the motoGP is relevant in what way?
It just goes to show were you come from keshav. The idea to compare Rossi's riding with club racers says it all.
Don't be so obtuse. I'm not comparing it to club racing. The point is rough or hard passes are not some ethereal high art
only achievable by those at the Olympian heights. Making close clean passes against MGP riders is still harder.
Rossi clearly wasn't capable of passing Hayden in a clean sporting fashion. If he was, he would have done so.
And Talpa, I expect nothing less from you either but to come in here and express your total lovefest for all things VR.
Fact is that yes, all riders are desperate as that is what racing should be about.
Pedrosa was desperate when he took out Hayden years ago.
Elias was desperate when he over took Rossi.
Rossi was desperate when he over took Lorenzo at Motegi
Lorenzo was desperate when he fought back, and failed in that battle.
Stoner was desperate to run to win the race - which he achieved in a manner you (amongst others) describe as boring
Rossi's move on Hayden was that of desperation.
The problem is that desperation can and does lead to incidents that at times can lead to innocents involved suffering unfairly as the result.
A rider could have their bike damaged, the person injured, could be run off track or lose a tow, all things that can cost a rider time and ultimately position.
The over-riding and pleasing aspect of the MG pass was for me that Hayden was able to regroup and make the time lost back up, then take the fight up again (ultimately to lose) as many have in the past not done so. That aspect said more about where Hayden was (and hopefully is) in terms of mental approach as he is sadly a rider many dismiss as not being genuinely top flight.
Desperation by itself is no problem, but desperation can and often does lead to bone head moves that end in tears for many and occasionally the medical centre. If you want desperation in your racing, so be it, and I tend to agree but I want controlled desperation and not out of control desperation that leads to medical situations
Gaz
I agree but would like to add that hayden also added to this entertainment today by coming back with passes. His fan's may be crying about the pass but nicky wasn't
Rog, it was good to see him do it and for me was close to the ride of the round (although I would give it to CS as I have no problems with total, controlled domination of an event, I simply don't find it boring).
That said though, Hayden does well at PI generally and it was not unexpected that he would be there or thereabouts and lets hope it is a sign leading to next year for the Ducati team.
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Your trying to make out this pass was a lot harder than it actually was imo. Nicky left the door open and rossi took the invitation. There appeared to be a very slight contact on the exit. This is not un-common at all in motorcycle racing. If this were a 125 or moto2 race you would all be screaming how good it was and why can't motogp be like it. you are also being obtuse !
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I think your trying to put words in my mouth here or your assuming some thinly veiled attempt at taking the win away from stoner. On the contrary my friend ! i also look on with admiration at the rider who can dominate like stoner did today and other's before him.
But the point to which i was agreeing with talpa was the entertainment value of close racing and close battle's with brave passes regardless of who was leading or what place they were battling for. As we see quite often in our sport the real battles happen further down the feild, in fact we quite often slate the tv producers for not showing some of these battles but instead following the lonely leader.
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Everyone got troll-eitus on here lately.pfft
Nowt wrong with today's Racing
its what we wait for every other weekend to see ffs
if you want to see finesse
try watching synchronized swimming you might not like that though its becomes a brutal bloodbath when they get splashing water about they should be suspended for such actions totally unsportsmanlike
i mean ....... hell how dare they splash water about in a swimming pool
Motogp its a Man's sport if you don't like it the Door's ^^^^ that way it says sign out on it
has Powerslide really become Powerslide.netroll
Nowt wrong with today's Racing
its what we wait for every other weekend to see ffs
if you want to see finesse
try watching synchronized swimming you might not like that though its becomes a brutal bloodbath when they get splashing water about they should be suspended for such actions totally unsportsmanlike
i mean ....... hell how dare they splash water about in a swimming pool
Motogp its a Man's sport if you don't like it the Door's ^^^^ that way it says sign out on it
has Powerslide really become Powerslide.netroll
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I seriously cannot believe that there is so much discussion on the merits of Rossi's move.
.... the move Hayden pulled on Lorenzo at Aragon was way more aggressive than Rossi's did that
provide this much contoversy?
I was abit amazed that Hayden left a gap that big for Rossi to attack to be honest.
I was going for Nicky in that battle but by leaving a gap of that size it was like opening a
barn door and inviting Rossi thru.
There shouldn't be any discussion at all (if it was good bad etc) about it considering Haydens
move at Aragon.
From my own point of view there should be more of it, I personally am a Stoner fan but I think
if other riders don't like what Rossi does just give it back to him!
I tend to think Nicky was more disappointed in himself than anything hence his open disappointment.
Just my view
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Gecko Hunter
.... the move Hayden pulled on Lorenzo at Aragon was way more aggressive than Rossi's did that
provide this much contoversy?
I was abit amazed that Hayden left a gap that big for Rossi to attack to be honest.
I was going for Nicky in that battle but by leaving a gap of that size it was like opening a
barn door and inviting Rossi thru.
There shouldn't be any discussion at all (if it was good bad etc) about it considering Haydens
move at Aragon.
From my own point of view there should be more of it, I personally am a Stoner fan but I think
if other riders don't like what Rossi does just give it back to him!
I tend to think Nicky was more disappointed in himself than anything hence his open disappointment.
Just my view
Cheers
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I think your trying to put words in my mouth here or your assuming some thinly veiled attempt at taking the win away from stoner. On the contrary my friend ! i also look on with admiration at the rider who can dominate like stoner did today and other's before him.
But the point to which i was agreeing with talpa was the entertainment value of close racing and close battle's with brave passes regardless of who was leading or what place they were battling for. As we see quite often in our sport the real battles happen further down the feild, in fact we quite often slate the tv producers for not showing some of these battles but instead following the lonely leader.
Nope Rog, didn't see or read any effort to take away from CS in your post but added my comments regarding brutal domination there for others as I genuinely enjoy domination or battle racing. If you took it as me having a go at you, then mate you read to much into it as for mine you don't tend to try to detract subtly, as if you want to detract you simply say it.
There aint no two ways to you Rog, if you don't like it or someone they know.
As for the battles, well yes close battling can be fun to watch and it is true that the amount of it has dropped, but for me that is more due to the reduced fields and closer parity between riding skills than anything else. I used to love watching MD and others lap Michael Rudroff three times a race, fighting their way past each time as Rudroff made that bike wider than a Kenworth semi trailer.
But sadly (at least at the moment) the battles have gone and so it becomes that when we do get one it captures attention far greater than other rides or aspects that I find just as captivating and enthralling.
Fark it, lets all watch some motards, now that is fun !!!!
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Rossi was only measuring out the Duc for next year... stupids
Agree Gecko, as I said in my earliest post in this thread, the last pass could have been blocked better by NH who could (should?) have pushed VR wider and wider through the loop. Sitting on the lounge, beer in hand watching from the previous lap I just knew that VR would do that at Honda and was near screaming at NH to prepare himself. The fact he left the gap is not a fault of VR, but it would have been a fault had VR not looked at it further.
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Nope Rog, didn't see or read any effort to take away from CS in your post but added my comments regarding brutal domination there for others as I genuinely enjoy domination or battle racing. If you took it as me having a go at you, then mate you read to much into it as for mine you don't tend to try to detract subtly, as if you want to detract you simply say it.
There aint no two ways to you Rog, if you don't like it or someone they know.
As for the battles, well yes close battling can be fun to watch and it is true that the amount of it has dropped, but for me that is more due to the reduced fields and closer parity between riding skills than anything else. I used to love watching MD and others lap Michael Rudroff three times a race, fighting their way past each time as Rudroff made that bike wider than a Kenworth semi trailer.
But sadly (at least at the moment) the battles have gone and so it becomes that when we do get one it captures attention far greater than other rides or aspects that I find just as captivating and enthralling.
Fark it, lets all watch some motards, now that is fun !!!!
Gaz
Tell you what Gaz, you make a great point ! When was the last time we heard a commentator said "now there coming up to the back markers" ? geez, the good ol days eh.
and my dad always told me i was a subtle as a house brick
And Talpa, I expect nothing less from you either but to come in here and express your total lovefest for all things VR.
Fact is that yes, all riders are desperate as that is what racing should be about.
Pedrosa was desperate when he took out Hayden years ago.
Elias was desperate when he over took Rossi.
Rossi was desperate when he over took Lorenzo at Motegi
Lorenzo was desperate when he fought back, and failed in that battle.
Stoner was desperate to run to win the race - which he achieved in a manner you (amongst others) describe as boring
Rossi's move on Hayden was that of desperation.
The problem is that desperation can and does lead to incidents that at times can lead to innocents involved suffering unfairly as the result.
A rider could have their bike damaged, the person injured, could be run off track or lose a tow, all things that can cost a rider time and ultimately position.
The over-riding and pleasing aspect of the MG pass was for me that Hayden was able to regroup and make the time lost back up, then take the fight up again (ultimately to lose) as many have in the past not done so. That aspect said more about where Hayden was (and hopefully is) in terms of mental approach as he is sadly a rider many dismiss as not being genuinely top flight.
Desperation by itself is no problem, but desperation can and often does lead to bone head moves that end in tears for many and occasionally the medical centre. If you want desperation in your racing, so be it, and I tend to agree but I want controlled desperation and not out of control desperation that leads to medical situations
Gaz
Its racing mate, not lawn bowls......
When you consider how many Passes Rossi has made in his career, how many of those passes have caused serious injury and visits to the medical centre or damage to equipment? 1 from memory, with Melandri at Motegi 05. Gibbers was bunging on the shoulder at Herez
If you are implying that the 9 time world champ, and possibly the best racer we have ever seen is consistently guilty of Bone head moves, sorry mate but the stats are dead against you. Obviously you have now invented many levels in your definition of desperation to prove an invalid point, and if those moves yesterday were 'Bonehead' then I guess Rainy, Schwantz, Doohan, Gardiner, Hailwood, Caparossi, Spies, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo, Lawson, Barros, Biaggi, Bayliss, Simoncelli, Mcoy, Rossi and many more are all guilty of Boneheadness, WTF are we watching this for again..........
Tell you what Gaz, you make a great point ! When was the last time we heard a commentator said "now there coming up to the back markers" ? geez, the good ol days eh.
and my dad always told me i was a subtle as a house brick
BTW great new Avatar mate, 'Eye of the tiger'-love that ad
But that is not what Casey said at all.
He said the bike they get at the beginning of the year is the bike they pretty much have all year. (not for 3 years)
He did not say the bike has not been developed over 3 years, I don't know where Talpa got that from.
Yeah, that's why I was asking not too sure if I heard it right and found it strange, it was One hd after all, speaking of I was furious at the premature cut of the rider interviews yesterday, only to cut to Domestic Basketball!!! Start of the broadcast rot-give it back to Fox!!
Its racing mate, not lawn bowls......
When you consider how many Passes Rossi has made in his career, how many of those passes have caused serious injury and visits to the medical centre or damage to equipment? 1 from memory, with Melandri at Motegi 05. Gibbers was bunging on the shoulder at Herez
If you are implying that the 9 time world champ, and possibly the best racer we have ever seen is consistently guilty of Bone head moves, sorry mate but the stats are dead against you. Obviously you have now invented many levels in your definition of desperation to prove an invalid point, and if those moves yesterday were 'Bonehead' then I guess Rainy, Schwantz, Doohan, Gardiner, Hailwood, Caparossi, Spies, Hayden, Stoner, Lorenzo, Lawson, Barros, Biaggi, Bayliss, Simoncelli, Mcoy, Rossi and many more are all guilty of Boneheadness, WTF are we watching this for again..........
Where am I implying VR's move was boneheaded - or are you looking for my comments to say that given our (yes our) past history.
It is my opinion (note the word) that the first move of VR's was desperate - and from comments of others it would seem that my description seems fair. Nowhere do I or would I suggest that it was boneheaded as it was a desperate racing move - no more, no less.
Again, I have not invented any levels as you imply but I instead indicated that (and you said this not me) that as racers are desperate than all moves are borne of desperation, some work, some don't and some bring criticism whereas others do not.
For boneheaded moves, look no further than Wayne Maxwell's post incident efforts in Moto2 as an example.
Nope, it is you who is suggesting that VR's move was boneheaded not I and no doubt you will try to twist, turn, pirouette and perhaps even throw in a back somersault with a three quarter twist to try to prove that I implied such, fact is I did not.
Have fun.
Gaz
The coverage was shiite but come one mate, you know that basketball is a massive spectator sport in this country.
When was the last time you saw an empty seat at some of these games ffs
The damn game hasn't been big here since the 90's was it, when it was on free to air and they cut an international event short - farken idjuts some of these programmers.
Gaz
Totally unrelated to this race - but one for those that like close, clean passing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKSqhHIXzs
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