Australian GP **RACE**

Jumkie said:

Agree. Didn't I tell you that Rossi was free to .... with anybody else except Nicky?

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xx CURVE xx said:

Jum and Johnny are moronic

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Not really. Jum & Co. are just biased against Rossi, and they will never acknowledge that such passes require a tremendous amount of skill to be executed, without causing a crash. So they deceive themselves thinking that other riders do not do the same out of a supposed "integrity" and sportsmanship and blah blah. The truth is that every rider would very happily do the same, if they were confident enough in their own capacity to pull it off. But that's not so easy...

FACTORY said:

ask Harada....in 1998 on dirty racing and punishments handed out.



maybe only italians are only given a free pass??

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That ended up in a court case. Harada was the victim there for sure.

i quess i'm a little late to the conversation, just got to watch the race. Since i'm a hayden fan i'm disappointed that he didn't get a podium. The battle with rossi was interesting, first pass not nice but the second pass was the usual rossi pass. Agree with the people that say other riders need to return the favor when they have the chance.



The biggest suprise for me was that ducati managed to give him a decent bike to ride. Makes you wonder about the previous races where he had to ride .....

FACTORY said:

I think we will see less of this "dirty racing" when the 1000cc class is back and more/different race lines can be taken throught a corner without loosing pace. Right now the 800cc bikes run a one line race (the follow the leader racing we have been watching) and some bikes are stonger in the corners (high corner speed) like the Yamaha over the Ducati or Honda (straight line speed).....so the passing has to be done in the corners. With the race line being so precise, the "dirty" but legal passing will be seen for riders to move up in postion.



Follow the leader racing is boring for us, but if we see some close battles the moves are not "fair, clean, or classy"....but are ok because they are legal.



Rossi gets slammed for these passes, but Lorenzo, Hayden, Spies, and Stoner all have done them with less outcrying.



Maybe one day MotoGP will run riders on the track one at a time and then they will just see who had the fastest time without the element of rider interaction.....no drafting, fairing rubbing, copying another racer's line.....man won't that be fun!!

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Given some of the hot and heavy passing and re-passing we've seen between Rossi and Lorenzo in the last year and a half

I would wager to say that the "One Line" thinking is largely a thing of the past - at least amongst the top 5 riders who have

most fully realized the potential of the 800s.

J4rn0 said:

Not really. Jum & Co. are just biased against Rossi, and they will never acknowledge that such passes require a tremendous amount of skill to be executed, without causing a crash. So they deceive themselves thinking that other riders do not do the same out of a supposed "integrity" and sportsmanship and blah blah. The truth is that every rider would very happily do the same, if they were confident enough in their own capacity to pull it off. But that's not so easy...

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Oh please This is the worst knd of soft-soap rationalization. Take it a step

further and you could say "Oh look! Rossi pulled out a huge battle axe and cut off that

other guy's head clean off in one swoop. Man! What skill!" The only reason

to pass like that is because you don't have the chops to do it smoothly.



It takes a ....-load more skill to make a clean pass. I've seen rough racing like that

in the old days of AMA Superbike and even in top level club racing. A favorite trick

in club racing used to be to lean over on another rider and hit his kill-switch mid turn.

- but then... there weren't any world championships being won or lost.

I found some more shots(i watched the highlights of the race and its recorded from all different angles, so i made a serie of snap shots from those angles. and if you have the video of it watch the slow motion of it. and let everyone decide for him/herself what kind of a move it was.

By the way Rossi did a nasty thing today and nobody has mentioned it yet. let's see if anyone will remember it .

Anyone??

Jeez. You'd think these were taken from the grassy knoll.

rossiofsky said:

By the way Rossi did a nasty thing today and nobody has mentioned it yet. let's see if anyone will remember it .

Anyone??

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Blew his nose in a hanky then gave it back to uccio in parc ferme ?

chopperman said:

Blew his nose in a hanky then gave it back to uccio in parc ferme ?

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No, did he? pfpfpfp



he did this in his pers conf.

of cource it didn't took long. and he became aware no to go too far. i thought maybe someone mention it for a joke.

Great race















For third........I thought interest in the battle for third was pointless eh Pov?



Stoner did well-again, increased positive camber circuits agree with him. In another world at PI yesterday. But extremely boring.



Soon when Rossi passes anyone it will be labeled as Dirty and Lacking 'Etiquette'. ....... Etiquette! This is Motorcycle racing at the highest level, if passes like the ones executed yesterday are considered dirty then we should just abandon reason and race a time trial. Jum and Kers you should really consider following another sport. Seriously, I feel sorry for you.



I think it's worth mentioning some of the amazing moves made at turn 1, by Rossi and Spies, passing there requires serious balls. Ben will be right there next year.



Nicky rode great yesterday, as I predicted he would, and it seems there's not too much wrong with that Duck at all.......I'm sure in hindsight he will reflect and be extremely happy to have been so strong against Rossi.



I saw an interview with Stoner and he mentioned that the Ducati hasn't received any 'real' development for three years would be interesting to find out more on this, Krop, anyone?



BTW thanks for the scoop on Rossi's Ducati test Krop, it is a privileged to have you around here.

Stoner = Wow at PI. Like someone else said, it was over after the second turn.



Lorenzo= Great ride, but no setup in the world helps today against Stoner.



Rossi and Hayden+ fair play in my book, these other riders are going to have to learn to punt Rossi when he punts them. Usually he is much faster and clears away from the guy he punts and they never get the opportunity to repay him. When they do get the chance, for some reason they are hesitant to use the same tactics, thats their problem. Like i said about the pass that Rossi made on Lorenzo at Motegi, i had no problem with the pass itself, i had a problem with the pass under the circumstances. Nicky should have bonzaied him in the last corner and dared race direction to do anything about it. Its a move that anyone can pull off, 4 tires corner better than 2. Setting someone up for a text book pass can take some time if both riders have the same pace. If your in a hurry, you block pass. In the last 2 races, someone has to grow some balls and send the message. This how it should be done in a perfect world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYl9bT6jXQo but i have no problem with the other.



Spies= Got what the bike would give him. I had no doubt he would leave Sic in the dust over the last few laps.



Sic, getting better since Pedro went down, coincidence

Keshav said:

Trawl much, Troll? I'm not a Rossi-Fan as such, but I thought his passes while tough, were legal. I still prefer a finessed pass that requires skill over one that uses roller-derby techniques. But yes, it is racing.

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For mine, the first pass through MG was tough, well tough and probably 'borderline' by many definitions as to complete the pass Hayden (in this case) was run quite wide and lost large amounts of momentum. For me, the move was a hard move by a rider/racer (VR) who needed to get by at the earliest opportunity (desperate anyone?) that was presented in order to continue the forward charge needed to win the race.



Hard - yes, fair - kinda, desperate - yes.



The second one at Honda, well I fully feel that was the fault of Nicky to a degree who could have easily drifted across the track to take VR's line but chose not to, and by doing so opened the door that was taken. If VR had not tried there and in those circumstances then he would look to have lost his mojo as that was a gap that was large enough at the time. Certainly he may not have had to push Nicky as wide but it is racing and you do that in order to affect the second rider's momentum but overall there Nicky could have done more out of the loop and into the corner to fight it and make it more difficult for VR to complete.



Overall, moves that others need to be prepared to try and put on VR if they want to start winning those little VR vs Whomever battles.











Gaz

Well put Gaz.

Talpa said:

I saw an interview with Stoner and he mentioned that the Ducati hasn't received any 'real' development for three years

would be interesting to find out more on this, Krop, anyone?

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Casey's forgot the carbon fibre swing-arm Ducati introduced? If that's not development... Oh yeah, screamer vs. big bang motor, Casey... That's not development...



These "developments" may or may not have improved the bike, but they are "real" developments.

Keshav said:

Oh please

This is the worst knd of soft-soap rationalization. Take it a step

further and you could say "Oh look! Rossi pulled out a huge battle axe and cut off that

other guy's head clean off in one swoop. Man! What skill!"

The only reason

to pass like that is because you don't have the chops to do it smoothly.



It takes a ....-load more skill to make a clean pass.

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What a huge pile of ..... What's the matter with you guys. It must be some kind of sickness or something?

That kind of pass IS difficult. To do a smooth pass mean that you have some kind of advantage. To do a tight pass like that and make it stick and not going down is skillful.

We got plenty of examples that show how it end up when they don't master it. Pedrosa comes to mind.

I've seen rough racing like that

in the old days of AMA Superbike and even in top level club racing. A favorite trick

in club racing used to be to lean over on another rider and hit his kill-switch mid turn.

- but then... there weren't any world championships being won or lost.

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and comparing that kind of crap racing with the motoGP is relevant in what way?

It just goes to show were you come from keshav. The idea to compare Rossi's riding with club racers says it all.

Gaz said:

Hard - yes, fair - kinda, desperate - yes.







Gaz

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Its a race............... right?



Are we expecting the best riders in the world to be anything less than desperate? Using every tool in their kit to win races?



Or our our minds becoming as programmed as the fuel mapping?



Rossi has provided more entertainment in the last three rounds than we've seen all year, demonstrating brilliant and very hard-even desperate racecraft........I don't know about you mate, but I expect nothing less from the best of the best.

Keshav said:

Oh please

This is the worst knd of soft-soap rationalization. Take it a step

further and you could say "Oh look! Rossi pulled out a huge battle axe and cut off that

other guy's head clean off in one swoop. Man! What skill!"

The only reason

to pass like that is because you don't have the chops to do it smoothly.



It takes a ....-load more skill to make a clean pass. I've seen rough racing like that

in the old days of AMA Superbike and even in top level club racing. A favorite trick

in club racing used to be to lean over on another rider and hit his kill-switch mid turn.

- but then... there weren't any world championships being won or lost.

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Keshav, we all raced like that, so we should know a little better. That kind of "dirty" overtaking that is common at relatively low speeds among relatively not-so-skilled riders on relatively simple machinery and tires cannot be compared with overtaking at the MotoGP level.

Making a "clean" pass is always preferable and certainly Rossi makes a lot of those. But in certain circumstances, against the top riders of the world, at the last lap, it is impossible and the skill is in making the pass possible without going with your rival into the kitty litter - of which we have plenty of examples. Whereas there are not many examples of riders like Rossi who can do that without causing mishaps. Hats off.