Australian GP **RACE**

Jumkie said:

Yes, because that was so long ago right? The point is subjectivity. Do you understand that word? Bottom line, are you saying what is legal is not subjective? Is it or is it not?



I don't think these moves today would have called for a black flag, but if somebody else use these tactics with the frequency seen lately, I do think they would be warned. Read my post and don't get stuck. As I said, it doesn't make it wrong. The tactic has served him well. I just wish others would race him with the same tactic. Not because I think its clean, but because its the only way to beat him. You know, like Elias did (of course he was called "dangerous".) Still doesn't make it wrong, but its a bit dirty.

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Ofcourse evey rider and fun are subjective. That is why the same move could be geniuos for one and dangerous for another. But this is life. And I think that if there was any concern about Rossi being not safe, other teams and riders would have logged a complaint with Dorna. You give the man too much power.

Jumkie said:

Yes, because that was so long ago right? The point is subjectivity. Do you understand that word? Bottom line, are you saying what is legal is not subjective? Is it or is it not?



I don't think these moves today would have called for a black flag, but if somebody else use these tactics with the frequency seen lately, I do think they would be warned. Read my post and don't get stuck. As I said, it doesn't make it wrong. The tactic has served him well. I just wish others would race him with the same tactic. Not because I think its clean, but because its the only way to beat him. You know, like Elias did (of course he was called "dangerous".) Still doesn't make it wrong, but its a bit dirty.

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Come on, we don't want a bunch of fairies riding around. Maybe Rossi still thinks he is in a chariot in the colosseum. Next race he'll have spikes on his wheels then maybe they'll black flag him for you jumkie.

didn't biaggi try that with rossi and rossi got him back the very next lap?



@jumkie...i think people call 'chelli dangerous cuz he smacks into other riders lol..rossi barely grazed hayden in this particular race. motegi was a harder pass though

nice hacking again from rossi

Yawwwwwwwwn!! Well done to Stoner for racing an empty track (just how he likes it!!). Great battle for 3rd from Nicky and Valentino, thats how you steel all the camera time!!

I would say that todays race had the worst camera and editing work of any race in the modern era. The camera work was jumpy and the editing was just terrible. We virtually never saw a rider go through turn 3 as the edit would cut to a front on shot as soon as they entered the turn and only once in slow mo we saw Stoner through turn 3. So often it would cut to front on view of riders coming down the front straight without following through turn 1. We never saw a complete lap by any rider let alone the front 2. Overall a very amateur performance and probably the reason it was a snore fest.



Enough of that.



Stoner was .. well Stoner at PI.



Lorenzo had some good pace but not quite enough.



As for the Rossi Hayden battle I can see nothing wrong with the racing in this battle. During the 990 era block passing was frequent because of the style of riding those bikes - point and shoot. In the 800 era with corner speed so high block passing looks dirty and can be dirty especially if you run the guy all the way to the outside. But I think that there needs to be more of it. What needs to be enforced though is unnecessary contact and running the other rider way out to the outside. A well executed block pass should only need both riders to run a metre or 2 wide which is all that happened today.



I agree with Jumkie in regards to the other riders need to learn Rossi's skill in this area and start copying it. Every rider out there knows Rossi is coming up the inside and through self preservation give room. Therefore the battle is won before it starts. If others do it and Rossi then complains there will be cause for ridicule.

Jumkie said:

Does Mundialito start this race?

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Can you link a single post of mine regarding Mundialito? let me tell you can't because there isn't one you ....... but don't worry we all know that your hate for Rossi has effected your reading abilities as well.

I don't have much trouble with the passes, as long as others don't have problems if the tactics are ever reciprocated as mental anarchist says.



But stoner and jorge should have hung back to dice with rossi when he wasn't fast enough to stay with them? Get serious. It is not as though rossi doesn't check out in this era if he can. It would seem it doesn't count as a victory if you don't use the same tactics as him or ride in the same manner. Is there a dress code as well?

Alien ride by Casey Stoner. Hats off.



Lorenzo fastest of the others but not able to touch Casey, as much as he tried.



Rossi unable to keep Lorenzo's pace, not to speak of Stoner's, but more than able (as usual) to fight successfully for positions. He rode slower than last year, though... But the good news from Furusawa may make his day feel better.



Hayden reminded everybody that it is not by chance he holds the track record at P.I., after all. An excellent ride. He came close to winning that fight with Valentino.



Sic had to bow to Spies in what was his best race so far -- I dare say Spies is, now, the strongest MotoGP rider in close racing after Rossi. Beating him in a duel is very, very hard.



Dovi... a brief visit in the Honda garage by injured Pedrosa and Puig was enough to delete the best mapping from his ECU. Next year he may regret not accepting that Tech3 ride.



I'm right now watching a recording of the Moto2 race and I must say seeing Scott Redding riding with such authority at P.I. is heart warming. Watch this lad... it's more than 10 years we don't see a teenager ride like that.....

People forget this mundialto ....., whats happened has past, just look to the future delights we may get served.



Stoner...Epic as usal at PI with some good sliding to.



Lorenzo...good solid ride.



Rossi & Hayden...I think people need to realise that with these playstations on wheels there is only 1 fast line thus meanig only 1 real way to pass & thats a block pass on the brakes (No Barry not backin it in), if you cant get pass on a straight. As someone else said they often look a lot closer than they really are & can more often than not force the rider being passed off line & wide.



I think Rossi screwed up his first pass on Hayden when Nicky lost a couple of places but the he kept his .... together & came back at em.



Pretty much every pass not in a straight line in this formula is done in this way. Nicky's move on Lorenzo on the last lap at Aaragon was similar.

johnnyvvc said:

1 fast line thus meanig only 1 real way to pass & thats a block pass on the brakes (No Barry not backin it in), if you cant get pass on a straight.

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You have absolutely no idea



WTF does any of that mean ? What are you suggesting I'm saying?

Every passes are block passes unless they are performed on the straight line. When a rider out brakes other rider then the two goes side by side into the corner the overtaken rider always has to concede his line, because phiysically he could not do better at the moment. People who say block pass is dirty are stupid.

On Hayden and Rossi ........



Twas all pretty fine really maybe too "gentlemanly". Especially on Haydens part. Hayden seemed to have a move lined up but aborted it ....... and I wondered why? Rossi would have done it ...... You know who I blame ....... Jumkie and his band of "Pedro done us wrong!!" brigade!! thats who, have you guys harassed about Pedro so much that, in order to not be swwn as a hypocrite, Hayden now can not ride in a manner in any way nearing a "Pedro-move" ......... which is what he needs to get back ...... eg. how he took Lorenzo at Aragon.



Jumkie you guys need to stick a "post-it" note inside his visor saying ....... "WTF are you doing!!? .... he would do it to you in an instant! ...... go for it!"

michaelm said:

I don't have much trouble with the passes, as long as others don't have problems if the tactics are ever reciprocated as mental anarchist says.



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Sure -- like this "reciprocating" was something easy... It's not. It's like walking a razor line. If it was just a matter of sheer determination, or a matter of being nasty, all riders would do that, without any hesitation -- but most of them would just cause a crash if they try. And they know that

J4rn0 said:

Sure -- like this "reciprocating" was something easy... It's not. It's like walking a razor line. If it was just a matter of sheer determination, or a matter of being nasty, all riders would do that, without any hesitation -- but most of them would just cause a crash if they try. And they know that

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I did consider this aspect which is why I said "if the tactics are ever reciprocated "( even going to the extent of using 2 qualifiers).

Looked like Hayden was riding a defensive line into the corner but Rossi was already beside him. That's what made it look so close.



Spies was a bit dissapointing to be honest.

heyhuub said:

Looked like Hayden was riding a defensive line into the corner but Rossi was already beside him. That's what made it look so close.



Spies was a bit dissapointing to be honest.

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Spies "disappointing"? were you expecting him to be faster than Rossi and Hayden at P.I.? That's maybe asking too much from a Spies on a satellite bike. He beat Simoncelli who is a difficult nut to crack in close racing. Spies is strong. I look forward to battles between Rossi and Spies (likely to happen next year with both riders on factory bikes). That will be interesting...

J4rn0 said:

Spies "disappointing"? were you expecting him to be faster than Rossi and Hayden at P.I.? That's maybe asking too much from a Spies on a satellite bike. He beat Simoncelli who is a difficult nut to crack in close racing. Spies is strong. I look forward to battles between Rossi and Spies (likely to happen next year with both riders on factory bikes). That will be interesting...

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Come to think of it as others have been said spies may be the one who could possibly fight valentino hand to hand. I think the nature of the bikes comes into it also; ducati specifically didn't think rossi could be beaten in such contests and previously anyway set out to produce a bike which might be able to beat him in other ways.

Comparing the results, Stoner and Rossi 2009 would have beaten Stoner 2010 by more than 10 seconds.

This not only says that weather conditions this year were tougher, but also that Rossi wasn't set up as well as last year, when he could stay for the entire race with a much faster Stoner.