Austin GP = factories not interested in AMA?

Mr. Shupe · Apr 7, 2011

According to Soup, the upcoming Austin track is a strong candidate for a third Moto GP race in the states.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110407texas2.htm

Three races would give Moto GP a strong presence in the US. Does anyone think this could nix a factory comeback in the AMA classes? Would the Japanese manufacturers still see a need to market in the AMA series with three grand prix rounds here? Or is it still possible factories could return to AMA racing to promote specific models?

Jumkie · Apr 7, 2011

Two Words:

WON'T HAPPEN!

(I admit, one word is a contraction, but its equally irrelevant.)

Here are two more words. Do the words, 'negotiation leverage', mean anything to you?

Mr. Shupe · Apr 7, 2011

Jumkie said:
Two Words:

WON'T HAPPEN!

(I admit, one word is a contraction, but its equally irrelevant.)

Here are two more words. Do the words, 'negotiation leverage', mean anything to you?

Are you talking about negotiation between Dorna and Indy for the US GP contract extension? Or potential talks between the factories and AMA/DMG?

Jumkie · Apr 7, 2011

Mr. Shupe said:
Are you talking about negotiation between Dorna and Indy for the US GP contract extension? Or potential talks between the factories and AMA/DMG?

Indy. They got a one year deal, Dorna trying to get more money.

Also, I don't see three rounds in the US. Ever.

Speaking of which, any tracks in Canada that could host a round. And do they ever plan on returning to Brazil?

Mr. Shupe · Apr 7, 2011

Jumkie said:
Indy. They got a one year deal, Dorna trying to get more money.

Also, I don't see three rounds in the US. Ever.

Speaking of which, any tracks in Canada that could host a round. And do they ever plan on returning to Brazil?

Nothing I can think of in Canada. Walls are too close at Mosport; from what I have heard the facilities are ancient too. I don't think Mt. Tremblant is up to date either. The walls are too close at Gilles Villeneuve (I believe it is a temporary track). The only new road course in Canada I can think of is ICAR, and it looks pretty sorry.

Brazil: Rio is gone. I would think Interlagos would have run-off issues. While the stock car racers are calling for adding run-off to the Curva do Cafe, that still leaves the walls close to the not-so-strait front straitaway. Curitiba looks like it has okay run-off, but would need work in spots (it also looks too short for Moto GP).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYIAzHIccw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_B6aT4zU0Y

Austin · Apr 8, 2011

From everything I keep reading and hearing, Indy is out. Not sure what will happen with Austin, but I think this is the end for Indy. And factories won't come back to the AMA until they change the rules. There's no reason for factories to put any money into the series as there's no development happening. It's just throwing money away. Thus, all the money that's coming into the series from the manufacturers is coming out of the marketing budget. That won't change until the rules do.

mylexicon · Apr 8, 2011

Mr. Shupe said:
According to Soup, the upcoming Austin track is a strong candidate for a third Moto GP race in the states.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Apr/110407texas2.htm

Three races would give Moto GP a strong presence in the US. Does anyone think this could nix a factory comeback in the AMA classes? Would the Japanese manufacturers still see a need to market in the AMA series with three grand prix rounds here? Or is it still possible factories could return to AMA racing to promote specific models?

Factories in production bike racing is tricky business. The Japanese don't believe in factory racing teams (hence Ten Kate Honda, Paul Bird Kawasaki, etc) b/c production bike racing shouldn't require restricted factory parts. I tend to agree with them. They ran full factory teams when WSBK was the only 4-stroke development class, but those days are gone. The AMA also has rulebook complications to deal with. I think the manufacturers had control of the rulebook before DMG showed up, DMG have basically pulled an FGSports by stealing the rulebook away. DMG also have control over the homologation papers; though, the Japanese will probably not produce anything that deviates from FIM homologation spec.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the correlation between MotoGP events and the AMA is quite indirect, imo. Sales have been so poor in the US, I'm not sure the American distributors could throw money at MotoGP without additional funding from the Japanese.

Jumkie · Apr 12, 2011

Will there be 3 USGPs? LINK

Mr. Shupe, I may have to eat crow. But I still very much doubt it.

frosty58 · Apr 12, 2011

Jumkie said:
Will there be 3 USGPs? LINK

Mr. Shupe, I may have to eat crow. But I still very much doubt it.

shall i cook ya up a batch & bring it to laguna?

Mr. Shupe · Apr 12, 2011

And they're going to call it "Circuit of The Americas." How ....... lame!

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-austin-track-gets-a-name

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 12, 2011

I'd call it circuit of some of the Americas. Texas and Indy are still way too far to drive from most places on the east coast.

Mr. Shupe · Apr 12, 2011

JohnnyKnockdown said:
I'd call it circuit of some of the Americas. Texas and Indy are still way too far to drive from most places on the east coast.

Not to mention Canada, Central, and South America. Maybe they chose this name because it sounds welcoming/inclusive to the fans south of the US, who are expected to make up a lot of the spectator base?

Jumkie · Apr 13, 2011

Lex, check your PMs.

Geonerd · Apr 13, 2011

Mr. Shupe said:
And they're going to call it "Circuit of The Americas." How ....... lame!

http://formula-one.s...ack-gets-a-name

Indeed.

This is the sort of doublespeak, buzzword blather, that 'business' morons and managers use to communicate.

Lord knows there's enough unique history in the area.

How about Alamo Raceway? Name the corners after historic Texans like 'Bowie' and 'Crockett.' None of this would be remotely original, but at least it would have some relevance...

Jumkie · Apr 14, 2011

Geonerd said:
Indeed.

This is the sort of doublespeak, buzzword blather, that 'business' morons and managers use to communicate.

Lord knows there's enough unique history in the area.

How about Alamo Raceway? Name the corners after historic Texans like 'Bowie' and 'Crockett.' None of this would be remotely original, but at least it would have some relevance...

I hate these execs as much as the informed next guy. But stupid morons they are not. In fact they are 10x more marketing shrewd & savvy than most well informed peeps, so I'd say 100x better than peeps not paying much attention. They're calling it "Circuit of the Americas" for the same reason Daytona calls itself "The world center of racing". Yes, you and I know its complete ........, but its a great marketing message to the millions of gullible peeps wanting to be part of something described with such "prestige" (Yes you and I know its "buzzwording".) But these guys have many tricks, some detectable , hence your disgust, and some much more subtle and powerful. Remember, its not some exec sitting around thinking, you know, I think I'll call this track X. No sir, they get armies of marketing experts, firms, academics, employ phycologists, and use focus groups, etc. They compile all that info and figure out how peeps react and respond in business terms to a simple name. They actually get seats filled and figure out buy in peak based on things as "simple" as a name. The field of marketing is extremely savvy and sophisticated, and they get us to buy .... we don't even know how we were enticed to consume.

povol · Apr 14, 2011

Geonerd said:
Indeed.

This is the sort of doublespeak, buzzword blather, that 'business' morons and managers use to communicate.

Lord knows there's enough unique history in the area.

How about Alamo Raceway? Name the corners after historic Texans like 'Bowie' and 'Crockett.' None of this would be remotely original, but at least it would have some relevance...

Thats San Antonio.

Neither were Texans, they just died fighting for Texas. Crockett was from Tennessee and Bowie was from Kentucky.

mylexicon · Apr 14, 2011

Jumkie said:
I hate these execs as much as the informed next guy. But stupid morons they are not. In fact they are 10x more marketing shrewd & savvy than most well informed peeps, so I'd say 100x better than peeps not paying much attention. They're calling it "Circuit of the Americas" for the same reason Daytona calls itself "The world center of racing". Yes, you and I know its complete ........, but its a great marketing message to the millions of gullible peeps wanting to be part of something described with such "prestige" (Yes you and I know its "buzzwording".) But these guys have many tricks, some detectable , hence your disgust, and some much more subtle and powerful. Remember, its not some exec sitting around thinking, you know, I think I'll call this track X. No sir, they get armies of marketing experts, firms, academics, employ phycologists, and use focus groups, etc. They compile all that info and figure out how peeps react and respond in business terms to a simple name. They actually get seats filled and figure out buy in peak based on things as "simple" as a name. The field of marketing is extremely savvy and sophisticated, and they get us to buy .... we don't even know how we were enticed to consume.

I bet Bernie named it.

Austin · Apr 15, 2011

In their defense, how many truly world class circuits can you name in North, South, and Central America? It's a bit corny (although, I admit I like it), but there probably isn't a more world class circuit across both continents.

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