Assen TT - Rnd 8 2015 - SPOILERS

littlesparrows · Jun 30, 2015

Jumkie said:
Separated at birth, well petri dish, and though you are correct about how mother nature divided up our talents. She was kind enough to give me a big ...... How's the 'look at my brain' thing been working out for u with the ladies?

This is some of the funniest .... I've read in a while.

SuperManatee · Jun 30, 2015

Willski said:
Ok ok you got me there. I only got 9"
Can't have everything

i know your new and all to standard measurements but those lines on the american ruler are 1/8", not 1"

Willski · Jun 30, 2015

SuperManatee said:
i know your new and all to standard measurements but those lines on the american ruler are 1/8", not 1"

Be quiet Super Mankini

#22 · Jun 30, 2015

Jumkie said:
Well if HRC were relying on Pedro and Casey for development cues, I can see the confusion. But Marc is already on record saying Casey can't develope ..... So they better start looking at the unsinkable unflushable sea worthy yacht captain for answers (preferably uncheated answers).

Maybe they could look to Cal? We know he gives valuable feedback

Keshav said:
Just looking for clarification. Is there any reason to suppose that next year's Michelins will favor any one particular bike or rider?

Arrabbiata1 said:
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.... you beat me to it Arrab!

Jumkie said:
7. The biggest reason a single tire supplier was ever introduced was because the wrong guy was winning. (Agree? Disagree? )

I'd have to agree tbh. Rossi & Gresini jumped ship thenDani did, so Michelin was left holding up the back markers apaprt from Jorge.

JPSLotus said:
I love the bit where Rossi threatened to quit if he didn't get Bridgestones.

In a reasonable world, no one man should be able to pull something like that.

No, but the karma was he threatened to go to Ducati if JLo got equal treatment and Yamaha said "Ok, go then"..and we all know how that ended up.

JPSLotus said:
The problem with MotoGP is they built themselves around Rossi for better or worse. I genuinely believe if they could get around the human cloning ban, they would clone Rossi so he could forever be on the grid. It's in their best interest that he is competitive so that he sticks around till at least 39 or 40 years old. They need him to break Agostini's records or at least be in a position to since it means more money than you can possibly imagine. 12 wins to break the record of wins, and 2 more world championships to break that record.

If you look at MotoGP purely from a business perspective and making as much money as possible, you will engage in as many shenanigans as possible to get VR the wins and titles.

THIS, This a thousand times.

Willski said:
I concur...I imagine nearly every sport ( sorry business ) is loath to see its biggest star / income generator fade....

Human cloning..Is it illegal ? Me and juNkie got created in a test tube. I got the brains, good looks and a body to die for...he got a penchant for alcohol and inane ramblings

And being able to fill shitters...

Jumkie · Jul 1, 2015

And being able to fill shitters! Hahaha 22 you have no idea. All I'll says, Devine Burger.

Keshav · Jul 1, 2015

Jumkie said:
Michelin have just made a sweet deal, were handed the contract by Dorna because in a way Dorna have forced Bridgestone out, perhaps mutually. Michelin will be developing their tire based on rider feedback. (So far, agree?) If you had the clipboard, listening to the riders tell u what they liked and didn't like, one of which had the most storied relationship with you, which would u listen too?

Goes without saying that folks would "speculate" such a scenario. Nothing brings out the tinfoil hats like tire conspiracies. Was just wondering if there was any actual (current) fact-based rumors to that effect.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will) but I was under the impression that Bridgestone very much wanted to stop being the sole supplier.

If I were Bridgestone - and I was inclined to make a tire to favor a specific rider - I don't know that it would be Rossi. If he wins the championship this year - it will have been seen as having been done so against the odds, given his age and the liklihood of a comeback from the much younger MM - who despite his failings this season, cannot be ruled out for more championships - if he matures and becomes a bit more pragmatic.

And given the negative feed-back on the Michelins thus far, and the general perception of them being behind the curve development-wise, I'd guess that they're focusing their energies on making tires that work well for the majority - before creating something narrowly focused to the needs of one rider.

Jumkie · Jul 1, 2015

I love how you and the "conspiracy card" brigade take it out to dismiss "conspiracies" (solely by labeling any rationale by saying 'it's conspiracy") only to replace them with their own conspiracy.

Kesh logic.

You're right Kesh, we shouldn't jump to conclusions because the wolves are probably reformed, no no they didn't tell us they reformed, we'll just assume it in the absence of them saying they've reformed. Because you need it stated, and of course once they state it, we'll it will be fact.

Keshav · Jul 1, 2015

HEISMAN said:
Michelin won't be building Rossi a tire to suit him. I'm sure they're salty after he wanted to leave in 2007.

I'm sure Michelin still remember this, but it seems their tires weren't good by 2007.

Also the reason in 2008, Rossi began performing better is because MotoGp is a battle of engine architects, and only one shall win because that's how formula racing works,
in my opinion. Someone comes up with a good idea and everyone else has to copy. When the 4 strokes were introduced in 2002, I picked back that the V5 will win when discussing this amongst my friends. It sports more advantages than the I4... currently there is no evidence that Honda and Ducati have ever explored the I4 whereas according to Burgess Yamaha has explored the V4...

Paraprasing Jeremy Burgess as I can't find the direct link:
".....when working at Yamaha last year they would like to build a V4 engine but there is too much instability in the regulations at the moment and they don't have the man power to develop a new engine"

Paraprasing Neil Spalding on Cooling... as I can't find the direct link:

"Yamaha M1 is the hardest MotoGp bike to cool. Compared with the narrow V4s and the old V5s, its across the frame four reduces airflow through a large area of radiator, and forces the of narrow exhaust ducts."

*This gave Yamaha a lot of trouble in the 990 years, particularly when their M1 got stuck in the hot, turbulent wake of another bike. Rossi famously crashed a Sachsenring in 2007, desperate to get past De Puniet and into some cool, undisturbed air."

"It was only the arrival of Bridgestones tyres in 2008 that saved the situation when Yamaha adapted by moving their engine back in the frame, they got more room for the radiator and the ducts that shoveled its hot air away"

Been a while since I've felt the need to do more than "like" a post. But this is excellent.

Keshav · Jul 1, 2015

Jumkie said:
I love how you and the "conspiracy card" brigade take it out to dismiss "conspiracies" (solely by labeling any rationale by saying 'it's conspiracy") only to replace them with their own conspiracy.

Kesh logic.

No - actually - not dismissing the speculation out of hand. Just asking if there is anything "current" on the wind, as it were, pointing to this conclusion. What you speculated is based on past history and not any current information. History doesn't always repeat itself. So don't go all Fox News on me. I haven't offered any conspiracy. Just saying that in the event that Michelin wanted to put all it's eggs in one basket - they might be pragmatic enough to plan for the long haul and back a rider who has the potential for many more championships - something I don't think anyone realistically believes Rossi has in him - regardless of any tire advantage.

You will I think concede (historically speaking) that you have been given the tinfoil had award more than anyone here over the years. And all your theories have had enough elements of reality to be entertaining and thought provoking.

JPSLotus · Jul 1, 2015

Michelin once decided to back a French team in another series and once they got their world championships, they left since they weren't wanted. In fact Michelin built their tires exclusively for the French team and their #1 driver by having the tires bite at an angle only said driver could exploit.

ratdeal · Jul 1, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Michelin once decided to back a French team in another series and once they got their world championships, they left since they weren't wanted. In fact Michelin built their tires exclusively for the French team and their #1 driver by having the tires bite at an angle only said driver could exploit.

Fair to assume this is Alonso we are talking about?

Bridgestone had spent almost a decade tailoring their tyre to a certain Italian team and their number 1 during the same era too if I remember correctly.

Willski · Jul 1, 2015

Jumkie said:
And being able to fill shitters! Hahaha 22 you have no idea. All I'll says, Devine Burger.

Oh my god, I just spat coffee out in a meeting....22 you honestly have no idea.
Hahahaha farkin hell !
I can't stop laughing.

All I will say is Outback Steakhouse

HEISMAN · Jul 1, 2015

Keshav said:
Been a while since I've felt the need to do more than "like" a post. But this is excellent.

I appreciate that. Thanks

#22 · Jul 1, 2015

Willski said:
Oh my god, I just spat coffee out in a meeting....22 you honestly have no idea.
Hahahaha farkin hell !
I can't stop laughing.

All I will say is Outback Steakhouse

I ate at an Outback once, I liked it. Though maybe you guys shouldn't have had the Bloomin Onion?

Keshav · Jul 1, 2015

#22 said:
I ate at an Outback once, I liked it. Though maybe you guys shouldn't have had the Bloomin Onion?

We have those here - tho we refer to them as Outhouse Stakes.

Arrabbiata1 · Jul 1, 2015

Willski said:
Oh my god, I just spat coffee out in a meeting....22 you honestly have no idea.
Hahahaha farkin hell !
I can't stop laughing.

All I will say is Outback Steakhouse

https://youtu.be/WfEEmdz7-Fk?t=3m2s

JPSLotus · Jul 1, 2015

ratdeal said:
Fair to assume this is Alonso we are talking about?

Bridgestone had spent almost a decade tailoring their tyre to a certain Italian team and their number 1 during the same era too if I remember correctly.

Correct about Alonso. The Renault R25 and R26 were built in conjunction with the Michelin tires.

Larger point being Kesh and HEISMAN shouldn't kid themselves about the possibilities of Michelin tailoring tires for Rossi or Yamaha in general.

Carmelo knows what will make Dorna a crapload of money over the next few years and you don't kill your golden goose off...if anything you want to protect him at his ripe old age, and do everything to assure that he has a very real chance to be competitive before he quits. If what he did in 2008 regarding Michelin v. Bridgestone, why anyone would think he wouldn't be in favor of stacking the deck for VR in 2016 and beyond, is ludicrous.

It's not really conspiracy theories guys. Tire manufacturers have always had their preferences or done underhanded things in midstream in many racing series. It's just a fact of life. They can all claim they are ethical, but this is big money and big business, and ethics sometimes get a bit trampled. Plus to get contracts sometimes they have to do what the commercial rights holder tells them to do.

Jumkie · Jul 1, 2015

Kropo said as much regarding tire manufacturer shenanigans and their MO in regards to racing series, you would think NannyKesh would at least take it from him. And of course Krop's source must have come from an official on the record, otherwise it would be one of those unbelievable conspiracy theories.

JPSLotus · Jul 1, 2015

Jumkie said:
Kropo said as much regarding tire manufacturer shenanigans and MO in regards to racing series, you would think NannyKesh would at least take it from him.

Haha. Yeah but jesus christ it shouldn't take Kropo for people to take it as gospel.

Here's another thing too that a lot of people don't realize. Even with a single tire supplier, the teams will all be begging the manufacturer to adjust various characteristics of the tires in ways that benefit them specifically, and no one else. Every team wants an advantage over the rest with a spec tire, and they will ..... endlessly at the tire reps to try and get their way. I had a conversation about that with someone at Goodyear's racing division. He said back when they were the sole supplier to Formula 1, the top teams would never stop whining about the tires, and they would be endlessly politicking to get something changed so they could get the upper-hand over the rest of the teams. It'd invariably be some version of, "Well your tire is .... because it doesn't have these characteristics, which it SHOULD because that would make it a much better racing tire."

Willski · Jul 1, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
https://youtu.be/WfEEmdz7-Fk?t=3m2s

I've never experienced internal combustion which very nearly led to external embarrassment so much in my life.....oh my god.

Remember that poor woman in O'Hare on the way back ? The one who shared a table with us ?

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