Assen Practice and Qualifying Discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 26 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati didn't find jack, Ezy finally stopped messing with B-stone and the tire compounds they delivered to Stoner.

If I remember correctly (and I do), I said the obvious result of a season contaminated by engineered results in the early rounds is a season that suddenly reverts to 2007 all over again. Here we are. Stoner is once again .7 faster than everyone else.

Good to see Nick at the pointy end.

this has nothing to do with tyres if you believe that then your are crazy, this is ducati upping there game and gettin an advantage.

problem is all the bikes had there good and bad things and that's good for us, now the ducati has more good things than the other bikes, having top speed advantage is sort of ok cos they other had faster bikes in the corners now ducati has both items so all the other riders are screwed.

i was waiting for this day to return its why i have been putting stoner as number 1 in my predictions
its good for ducati but bad for us.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 26 2008, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes like i have been saying, all the other riders can now forget the championship they only had to get the ducati faster in the corners for stoner, honda and yamaha better repond soon or you will be seing a repeat of 07.

i still believe they are using the system of the gp9, the bikes were even now stoner has an advantage again but hey thats racing.

this is gonna make things way more exciting championship wise but it will be very boring racing.


Agreed, if you are a points fanatic then this will make the points interesting.

I still think/hope that come raceday Rossi doesn't let Stoner get away with it.

I am not holding my breath for Hayden, he still needs to find an entire race setup that works with the new engine/tires and he is still probably changing his riding style as well.

I hope Colin has something to say about Pedrosa and take a 3rd he is loking really fast at the moment.

Dark horse or not for me is going to be Lorenzo. I think that he is going to have a great showing. And he might just be up there fighting with Rossi and Stoner.

Dovi will be fighting for 4-6

I HOPE TO GOD THIS WILL NOT BE A RUNAWAY RACE. The first for the season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 26 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed, if you are a points fanatic then this will make the points interesting.

I still think/hope that come raceday Rossi doesn't let Stoner get away with it.

I am not holding my breath for Hayden, he still needs to find an entire race setup that works with the new engine/tires and he is still probably changing his riding style as well.

I hope Colin has something to say about Pedrosa and take a 3rd he is loking really fast at the moment.

Dark horse or not for me is going to be Lorenzo. I think that he is going to have a great showing. And he might just be up there fighting with Rossi and Stoner.

Dovi will be fighting for 4-6

I HOPE TO GOD THIS WILL NOT BE A RUNAWAY RACE. The first for the season

you will be seing runaway races now for the rest of season if other manufacturers go lame again

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skint @ Jun 26 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like its going to be another boring race (i may not even watch this one). Stoner on pole. Stoner gets to the first corner miles ahead of anyone else (even if he's not off the line first) and then carries on to win by a mile. I refuse to believe that this is anything to do with ability ... quite clearly the difference between now and a few races ago is the bike, not the man (unless he's been going to secret bike racing lessons). Dorna had better start thinking about the future of MOTOGP longer term because if any rider/bike/team/tyres combination gets to be vastly superior to all others in practice & qualifying & offtheline & race in wet and dry and at all circuits then the series will lose it's appeal and the sponsors that go with it. I know we're not at that point yet but his season almost every race has been won easily by whoever got tyres/setup correct on the day.

skint
I think if ducati have an advantage it is engine torque and power under the current formula with the fuel restrictions, rather than tc per se. This may be due to the desmo valves, although I am not technically competent enough to really know.

A perceptive Italian ducati fan said earlier in the season that the main change in the GP08 was in the torque curve/power delivery, and I argued that aerodynamics may be involved in the relatively poor performance of ducati/stoner post qatar; it appears we may both have been correct, him more so than me, as they have apparently altered both recently. Honda and yamaha certainly seemed to think ducati had an advantage with their engine, since they were both calling for rpm restrictions after qatar.

This is all premature anyway, we need to see what rossi and jb come up with between now and the warm-up, if he is still 0.7 seconds behind then these speculations become relevant.

I remain happy for them to get rid of tc as much as is technically feasible, and I think casey stoner is on record as saying he preferred the 990 formula himself.

credit where its due stoner has got some balls riding that bike, hes almost chucked it a few times but that doesnt slow him down.....dirt bike riding is really paying off for him on the ducati, i have raced motorcross since i was 9 the squirming of stoner/ducati coming out of the corners is very reminiscent of conering and coming out of corners on a motox bike, just alot faster.

also i think now i see rossi's plan i notice how he eases his way up the times sheets he is seing his bounderys on the stones step by step at every new track and he also is not risking binning it.

Loris is out for this week-end .... Spies in

Speeking of approaches

Pedrosa seems to have the Stoner approach in a sense that, he doesn't care where he qualifies because he can make it up before the first turn (in reference to his I don't need a Q tire statement). I bet Pedrosa is still working on last minute setup changes and finding the right tire for raceday during qualifying if they haven't already found the perfect setup. If they have perfected their setup you will see Pedro on the front row with a sizable lead into the first corner. You will knwo by lap 4 whether he can run away with it. Same with Stoner or anyone else for that matter. Will Rossi or anyone come from behind this year to take the win. Lorenzo looks to be able to come from behind as did Rossi but never anywhere close to the leader. I am hoping that Assen will switch things around.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Jun 26 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Loris is out for this week-end .... Spies in

Spies for the win!





....... sucks he lost 2 days of practice.

1 day and 2 practices you mean ....

i dont see rossi doing the 07 hunt this year at assen, he knew where his limits where with michelins but not with the stones "yet" its a new track again where they have to reset everything and start from scratch, his times should improve through out the session.
im not sure anyone will have stoners pace again this weekend but we will see anyhting can happen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Jun 26 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Loris is out for this week-end .... Spies in


Thats a shame. No one wishes for harm to come to a rider. And I really enjoyed hearing how passionate Loris is about racing. He actually is becoming one of my favorite riders. I love his approach to racing. The quotes of him saying that Spies better not get to comfortable, and how happy he was to be back really put a smile on my face. There is someone that is enjoying what he is doing. I know its serious business but he brings both to the table.

That being said. I am excited to see Spies race again. Can he learn the track in 2 practices and a Q session? I don't expect much from him again but I am hoping for a good result.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skint @ Jun 26 2008, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like its going to be another boring race (i may not even watch this one). Stoner on pole. Stoner gets to the first corner miles ahead of anyone else (even if he's not off the line first) and then carries on to win by a mile. I refuse to believe that this is anything to do with ability ... quite clearly the difference between now and a few races ago is the bike, not the man (unless he's been going to secret bike racing lessons). Dorna had better start thinking about the future of MOTOGP longer term because if any rider/bike/team/tyres combination gets to be vastly superior to all others in practice & qualifying & offtheline & race in wet and dry and at all circuits then the series will lose it's appeal and the sponsors that go with it. I know we're not at that point yet but his season almost every race has been won easily by whoever got tyres/setup correct on the day.

skint
And that's why the other three Ducatis lie 12th, 17th and 18th as of FP2. Yeah, Ducati have stepped up their game but the thing doesn't ride itself as has been argued for the past year and a half. Give CS some credit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Jun 26 2008, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Loris is out for this week-end .... Spies in
Too bad for Loris, hate to see that guy miss time as he's a true class act. Hopefully Spies can play catch up on Friday and be competitive by race time. Should be interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skint @ Jun 26 2008, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like its going to be another boring race (i may not even watch this one). Stoner on pole. Stoner gets to the first corner miles ahead of anyone else (even if he's not off the line first) and then carries on to win by a mile. I refuse to believe that this is anything to do with ability ... quite clearly the difference between now and a few races ago is the bike, not the man (unless he's been going to secret bike racing lessons). Dorna had better start thinking about the future of MOTOGP longer term because if any rider/bike/team/tyres combination gets to be vastly superior to all others in practice & qualifying & offtheline & race in wet and dry and at all circuits then the series will lose it's appeal and the sponsors that go with it. I know we're not at that point yet but his season almost every race has been won easily by whoever got tyres/setup correct on the day.

skint

like someone agreed with me the otherday cant remeber who it was... there is to much electronic wizardry to many parameters that can put your bike into a totally different world to others, just look at stoner was behind gets some new electronics stuff and he is way ahead, and this is when it gets boring who ever does it rossi , stoner , pedro.
this proves how much electronics do actually take away from the rider... stoner is the best example he hasnt been doing to well until now and that has been decided by the electronics NOT the rider if this wasnt true whats been happening te last few races????

so in this case the electronics has been the deciding factor, thats not the way it should be

controlled ecu would be a good thing give all the bikes a set amount of adjustment then rider and engineers get the bike the best they can then go race on it....

in catalunya the ducati was a bucking bronco and he was still able to keep up with rossi for 99% of the race. whereas the the other ducati riders all have similar problem, but they fisnish a minute behing the winner...... naaaah that doesnt have anything to do with rider ability

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Jun 26 2008, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1 day and 2 practices you mean ....

Yes..2 practice runs

Spies not in according to this link.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jun/080626f.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 26 2008, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in catalunya the ducati was a bucking bronco and he was still able to keep up with rossi for 99% of the race. whereas the the other ducati riders all have similar problem, but they fisnish a minute behing the winner...... naaaah that doesnt have anything to do with rider ability


your an abosolute clown we werent talking about the dam riders you thick head, i was just pointing out in stoners case the electronics IS the deciding factor, hes even said it him self you ........
what does "stoner credits electronics breakthrouh" mean?

we know stoner is the best ducati rider wtf you talking about you .....?

someone need to punch you hard....

you dont read anything properly you read posts that have the word stoner in them and start talking crap.

you have just admited your self the bike was a bucking bronco so obviously the rider ability didnt come into it, sorry pinky but in this case the electronics is the deciding factor

Good job Ducati and Stoner!! All you haters and crybabies saying that it is going to be a runaway, all I can say is, GOOD!!!!! Just cause Ducati is out front by a decent margin and it isn't Rossi in the lead some of your posts are so stupid and it shows the fanboys out there. I hope for a good race but I want the Ducati in the 1st place position. All the others let God sort them out. Except for Pedrosa who can go home now for all I care.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>... AMA Champion Ben Spies - who is present at Assen - will not replace Capirossi.

Huh? That's weird, he's there already...why not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 26 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats a shame. No one wishes for harm to come to a rider. And I really enjoyed hearing how passionate Loris is about racing. He actually is becoming one of my favorite riders. I love his approach to racing. The quotes of him saying that Spies better not get to comfortable, and how happy he was to be back really put a smile on my face. There is someone that is enjoying what he is doing. I know its serious business but he brings both to the table.


That being said. I am excited to see Spies race again. Can he learn the track in 2 practices and a Q session? I don't expect much from him again but I am hoping for a good result.
Well,let's hope for dry track.I hope he won't be completely off pace in the race,but it's not going to be easy.

On Loris,I have the same thoughts,and if he had some luck with him it would be even more fun to follow him.