Assen GP Race Thread (Contains all manner of spoilers!!!)

[Arrabbiata1]

Dovi looking back almost derisorily at Spies when he crossed the line

 

[michaelm]

Never want a win this way and it would have been interesting to see how jorge would have gone on the different tyre. My contention in agreement with jumkie that stoner was one mechanical dnf by jorge away from equality was inclusive of a dnf from another's error, not something I like to raise in advance.



Props to jumkie, stoner's performance in isolation in jorge's absence looked to involve at least a new chassis/honda's massive technical resources and a more positive mental attitude. I am surprised pedrosa could not stay with him, he looked to have good race pace in practice and warm-up, maybe stoner and his team really found something at the end of qualifying if I am to forsake conspiracy theories.



Good rides by dovi, hayden and crutchlow, improved from spies, with bad luck to cal from the first corner incident as well.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Found in bens chair when he returned to the garage.



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Please relay this note to Alvro aka some .........

 

[Keshav]

Cal: Some ........ decided to go like a bandit in the first turn.

 

[hawkdriver]

Well Honda/CS just made a soft tire work better than every other hard tire on the grid, no more bitching about tires lol Pedders looked to have given up for the win, he slowed down than went back to old lap times.

Dovi awesome ride and Ben Spies needs to go

Ducati need to just get out of GP

Bautista is an .....

 

[ganz]

I don't want to hear or see anything about ducati, ever. Sorry for Lorenzo, I had a feeling that some sort of .... would happen. But I suppose Stoner deserves some luck too. The championship starts over.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Never want a win this way and it would have been interesting to see how jorge would have gone on the different tyre. My contention in agreement with jumkie that stoner was one mechanical dnf by jorge away from equality was inclusive of a dnf from another's error, not something I like to raise in advance.



Props to jumkie, stoner's performance in isolation in jorge's absence looked to involve at least a new chassis/honda's massive technical resources and a more positive mental attitude. I am surprised pedrosa could not stay with him, he looked to have good race pace in practice, maybe stoner and his team really found something at the end of qualifying if I am to forsake conspiracy theories.



Good rides by dovi, hayden and crutchlow, better from spies, with bad luck to cal from the first corner incident as well.

They have said all along as I posted towards the race, the problems manifest themselves on the harder compound...the softer tyre eliminates most of the chatter - but the problem then becomes one of durability. As Cliche said, you feel Lorenzo would have gone with Dani and Nicky today and as Jum suggests this certainly is the rider making a difference and not a disparity in machinery. Honda got away with a soft tyre deployed at traditionally Yamaha territory. Pedrosa cited fatigue - not tyre fade, so we have to assume that there were no tyre issues whatsoever today for Honda.



Spies is .......



An aside - please don't concede to 'Jumkers' Mike - the consequences will be insufferable.

 

[Garbin]

Did I hear the BBC commentary right, that Cal is considering going to Ducati??? Talk about knowing how to spoil my day

 

[Pigeon]

Motogp Bridgestone Rossi's tyre has disintegrated anybody PVR it check the replay

not the best pic but it was a big chunk not just a bit

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Did I hear the BBC commentary right, that Cal is considering going to Ducati??? Talk about knowing how to spoil my day

Seven figure sum reputedly on the table.



He'll be fine - 'currently it's impossible to gauge the potential of the Ducati because Casey [Vale] 'isn't pushing hard enough'. It's abundantly clear that the problems with the bike can be sorted in '80 seconds'.

 

[michaelm]

They have said all along as I posted towards the race, the problems manifest themselves on the harder compound...the softer tyre eliminates most of the chatter - but the problem then becomes one of durability. As Cliche said, you feel Lorenzo would have gone with Dani and Nicky today and as Jum suggests this certainly is the rider making a difference and not a disparity in machinery. Honda got away with a soft tyre deployed at traditionally Yamaha territory. Pedrosa cited fatigue - not tyre fade, so we have to assume that there were no tyre issues whatsoever today for Honda.



Spies is .......



An aside - please don't concede to 'Jumkers' Mike - the consequences will be insufferable.

I was perhaps not totally wrong then, as I have said for years that stoner 's method requires a durable tyre, nearly all his dry wins before this year on hard tyres. If he can't make the hard tyre work because of chatter having to run a soft tyre is a problem for him, but he looked to have the soft tyre going the whole race today, albeit without jorge to push him and perhaps be faster on the hard tyre late race.

 

[ganz]

Seven figure sum reputedly on the table.



He'll be fine - 'currently it's impossible to gauge the potential of the Ducati because Casey [Vale] 'isn't pushing hard enough'. It's abundantly clear that the problems with the bike can be sorted in '80 seconds'.

Yup, go ahead Cal, don't hesistate, ruin your career

 

[cliche guevara]

the problem with cal going to duc is that i'm not sure whether he will still be recognized as a potential race winner.



I'd like to think that by now people know what gamble a ducati ride is and that if he was to leave them after 1-2 years he would still be offered a good seat.but with ever fewer prototypes and some real good riders coming up in moto2 i'm afraid it would be the end for him if he can't win on the desmo

 

[TlTAN]

I was perhaps not totally wrong then, as I have said for years that stoner 's method requires a durable tyre, nearly all his dry wins before this year on hard tyres. If he can't make the hard tyre work because of chatter having to run a soft tyre is a problem for him, but he looked to have the soft tyre going the whole race today, albeit without jorge to push him and perhaps be faster on the hard tyre late race.

I think that if Jorge had not been taken out then he would have won the race (or it would have been extremely close) - the reason that Stoner could nurse the softs through to the end was because he didn't have to push them very hard.

 

[Arrabbiata1]

Yup, go ahead Cal, don't hesistate, ruin your career

Oh jeez, read the post again, this time between the lines

 

[Arrabbiata1]

I was perhaps not totally wrong then, as I have said for years that stoner 's method requires a durable tyre, nearly all his dry wins before this year on hard tyres. If he can't make the hard tyre work because of chatter having to run a soft tyre is a problem for him, but he looked to have the soft tyre going the whole race today, albeit without jorge to push him and perhaps be faster on the hard tyre late race.

Agree

 

[ganz]

Oh jeez, read the post again, this time between the lines

Oh man, I just added some sarcasm of mine own

 

[povol]

Just read where Spies rear tire chunked like Rossi's. Kid cant buy a break. Bautista, what a tool, that was just inexcusable.. Would have liked to see what the race would have looked like with the Honda's seemingly making the softs work, against Lorenzo on the hards. If reports earlier in the season of Yamaha being on their 3rd engine were true, it looks like they will be on their fifth next week. Maybe crop can give some insight on this brewing problem for Yamaha.

 

[inam22]

WTF Alvaro Bautista was thinking, biggest ......... on the planet. Abviously he didn't learn much from his Valencia mistake last year, should make him start last on the grid next race. Oh hang on you never know he might take the whole grid down with him next time.

 

[michaelm]

Just read where Spies rear tire chunked like Rossi's. Kid cant buy a break. Bautista, what a tool, that was just inexcusable.. Would have liked to see what the race would have looked like with the Honda's seemingly making the softs work, against Lorenzo on the hards. If reports earlier in the season of Yamaha being on their 3rd engine were true, it looks like they will be on their fifth next week. Maybe crop can give some insight on this brewing problem for Yamaha.

Stoner did say the new bridgestone tyre chosen by the majority would be found out in race conditions, I am not sure if he was referring to the hard version.