Assen GP Race Thread (Contains all manner of spoilers!!!)

[Ion Blaster4]

Alvaro Bautista has a history of first lap crashes, I dont know why Dorna allows dangerous riders to be in this class.



Poor Jorge. He could have just lost the championship because of Bautista. Last year Pedrosa suffered the same fate from another dumb Italian. Dorna doesnt seem to care about the well being of their riders. It makes it hard to watch a sport where riders can be taken out with no consequence and most of the fan base bleats around like sheep saying race incident. Jeez even in soccer you are penalized for breathing on someone. In this sport lives are at stake and noone seem to care.

They obviously do care about the riders considering the sport gets safer every year, and they demand some tracks to make certain corners safer and stuff. MotoGP is a dangerous sport, so people will get seriously injured. They are racing motorcycles at 200 MPH and have top of the line safety equipment. To be fair, if MotoGP tried to get safer in some other way the riders would complain about it. They know the risks they take and choose to take the risks - they dont have to sign that contract every year - just look at Casey. Also, im pretty sure people care that these riders lives are at stake considering the tragedy of last year - but again its a dangerous sport, which is an element of the entertainment, and the unimaginable is going to happen from time to time.



Also, that was a racing incident... Do you really think Alvaro just decided to take out Lorenzo because he was bored? Taking someone out has happened to basically every rider at some point in their life. Rossi did, just ask Stoner! I dont remember people talking about how unsafe it was that he attempted a pass at Casey and just screwed up - which is exactly what Alvaro did to Jorge. Yes, Rossi did crash the bike into him while Alvaro ran the bike into him, but lets also remember that this is the first corner we are talking about, AKA the easiest way to accidentaly make a fool of your self. Leave Alvaro alone, I'm sure hes feeling like .....



Its kinda pathetic to see an aggressive rider just get bashed on by people just because they made a mistake. Thats how champions are created - LEARNING from their mistakes. Valentino Rossi started out that way, thats how he got the nickname The Doctor. Because when he was in MotoGP classes for the first few years he was constantly crashing, and was basically known as the crash kid at the time.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

They obviously do care about the riders considering the sport gets safer every year, and they demand some tracks to make certain corners safer and stuff. MotoGP is a dangerous sport, so people will get seriously injured. They are racing motorcycles at 200 MPH and have top of the line safety equipment. To be fair, if MotoGP tried to get safer in some other way the riders would complain about it. They know the risks they take and choose to take the risks - they dont have to sign that contract every year - just look at Casey. Also, im pretty sure people care that these riders lives are at stake considering the tragedy of last year - but again its a dangerous sport, which is an element of the entertainment, and the unimaginable is going to happen from time to time.



Also, that was a racing incident... Do you really think Alvaro just decided to take out Lorenzo because he was bored? Taking someone out has happened to basically every rider at some point in their life. Rossi did, just ask Stoner! I dont remember people talking about how unsafe it was that he attempted a pass at Casey and just screwed up - which is exactly what Alvaro did to Jorge. Yes, Rossi did crash the bike into him while Alvaro ran the bike into him, but lets also remember that this is the first corner we are talking about, AKA the easiest way to accidentaly make a fool of your self. Leave Alvaro alone, I'm sure hes feeling like .....



Its kinda pathetic to see an aggressive rider just get bashed on by people just because they made a mistake. Thats how champions are created - LEARNING from their mistakes. Valentino Rossi started out that way, thats how he got the nickname The Doctor. Because when he was in MotoGP classes for the first few years he was constantly crashing, and was basically known as the crash kid at the time.

STUPID ....... ROSSI!

Way to go Rossi you muppet.

rossi is a stupid

Now that is Rossi's legacy gone. His star was diminishing and now he has just done the single worst move of his career.



Dorna has no option but to give out a penalty. That was to big and their credibility is on the line.

That was on purpose! .......!

Woooo whoooo !!



What an event!



That Ducati front end still biting Stoner !!!

Rossi being a prick too helped I guess

Rossi it's time to retire you clown.



He looks like Ronald McDonald now he rides like a clown.

Thats the first two pages of the race thread. want more?

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

They obviously do care about the riders considering the sport gets safer every year, and they demand some tracks to make certain corners safer and stuff. MotoGP is a dangerous sport, so people will get seriously injured. They are racing motorcycles at 200 MPH and have top of the line safety equipment. To be fair, if MotoGP tried to get safer in some other way the riders would complain about it. They know the risks they take and choose to take the risks - they dont have to sign that contract every year - just look at Casey. Also, im pretty sure people care that these riders lives are at stake considering the tragedy of last year - but again its a dangerous sport, which is an element of the entertainment, and the unimaginable is going to happen from time to time.



Also, that was a racing incident... Do you really think Alvaro just decided to take out Lorenzo because he was bored? Taking someone out has happened to basically every rider at some point in their life. Rossi did, just ask Stoner! I dont remember people talking about how unsafe it was that he attempted a pass at Casey and just screwed up - which is exactly what Alvaro did to Jorge. Yes, Rossi did crash the bike into him while Alvaro ran the bike into him, but lets also remember that this is the first corner we are talking about, AKA the easiest way to accidentaly make a fool of your self. Leave Alvaro alone, I'm sure hes feeling like .....



Its kinda pathetic to see an aggressive rider just get bashed on by people just because they made a mistake. Thats how champions are created - LEARNING from their mistakes. Valentino Rossi started out that way, thats how he got the nickname The Doctor. Because when he was in MotoGP classes for the first few years he was constantly crashing, and was basically known as the crash kid at the time.

He took out Lorenzo because hes a ....... ...... He was a ....... ..... in 250's and he was a ....... ..... last year when he did the same thing to Hayden. How do you mistakenly carry twice the corner speed then everyone else in the first corner. Simoncelli was a ....... ....., RDP is a ....... ......

Rossi crashed a lot the 1st 10 races of his rookie year before he figured it out. He didnt crash for years. How can you make that comparison. Bautista is in his third year and still cant figure it out.

Agressive riding is fine but the distinction between agression and idiocy can be measured by the amount of bikes tumbling thru the gravel

 

[Ion Blaster4]

Thats the first two pages of the race thread. want more?

None of those prove my point wrong - which one of those say that it was unsafe?

He took out Lorenzo because hes a ....... ...... He was a ....... ..... in 250's and he was a ....... ..... last year when he did the same thing to Hayden. How do you mistakenly carry twice the corner speed then everyone else in the first corner. Simoncelli was a ....... ....., RDP is a ....... ......

Rossi crashed a lot the 1st 10 races of his rookie year before he figured it out. He didnt crash for years. How can you make that comparison. Bautista is in his third year and still cant figure it out.

Agressive riding is fine but the distinction between agression and idiocy can be measured by the amount of bikes tumbling thru the gravel

I race in real life, and missing a braking point a little on accident and throwing your whole race out the window is quite easy to do - you push a little too hard and you end up making a ..... out of yourself. He was trying to make up positions and screwed up, which was totally his fault, but its still a racing incident. Are you trying to tell me he did that on purpose and hes an .....?



He had pole last week and finished in fourth. Hes no ...... Most of your points just went along with what i said by the way - "Its kinda pathetic to see an aggressive rider just get bashed on by people just because they made a mistake." you think that just because riders make a couple rather big mistakes they are automatically classified as idiots, when Bautista is getting more competitive every single race. It probably wont even be too much longer until he gets a win.

 

[BarryMachine]

Thats the first two pages of the race thread. want more?

And Rossi did worse than Alvaro, and he gets no penalty.

 

[Jumkie]

None of those prove my point wrong - which one of those say that it was unsafe?

classic. Yeah, all those reactions, they were affirmation.



What should i type now? Oh, i dont know. Does it really matter? Uhm, i heard in some parts of Kazikstan, cows are conciderred sacred. So does anybody think Puerto Rico should become a US State? Costa Rica is a nice place. No military. Its also a nice island. But i would never live there because it snows too much.

I race in real life, and missing a braking point a little on accident and throwing your whole race out the window is quite easy to do - you push a little too hard and you end up making a ..... out of yourself. He was trying to make up positions and screwed up, which was totally his fault, but its still a racing incident. Are you trying to tell me he did that on purpose and hes an .....?



He had pole last week and finished in fourth. Hes no ...... Most of your points just went along with what i said by the way - "Its kinda pathetic to see an aggressive rider just get bashed on by people just because they made a mistake." you think that just because riders make a couple rather big mistakes they are automatically classified as idiots, when Bautista is getting more competitive every single race. It probably wont even be too much longer until he gets a win.

Baustista seems like a nice person with pretty hair. I would love to party with him, gay guys always have pretty girl friends. However, his torpedo is unexcusable. The only way that would be excusable is if his brakes malfunctioned. There has to be a certain level of control, where some situation of out of control are unaccetable. What hes done TWICE in the span of 6 races (within 1/3 of a season) is criminal. Thr first time he should have been suspended. It most likely wouldnt have happened again. But hey, when we got fans saying, oh, its ok, u know, hes just a puppy, and they .... & piss all over the house because they dont know better; coupled with a race direction who enforces "safety" based on how popular or points u have, the result will be this kind of .....



Bautista is a ....... ...... If u cant understand this asserts he is dangerous, then u need a few more English classes.

 

[Jumkie]

And Rossi did worse than Alvaro, and he gets no penalty.

VR was braking in control while attempting to pass. The front end tucked because of slighly too much pressure while leaned just ever so slightly over the threashold. On a bike that was allowing him to maintain this pace a few laps and corners before. Upsetting, yes, hence many reactions, but totally different than Bautista. Contrast, Bautista was completely out of control, on the gas, while everybody was braking. TURN ....... ONE. Not even same ball park. I would tell u to pull ur head out of ..., but i know you love the smell and taste of .....

 

[BarryMachine]

VR was braking in control while attempting to pass. The front end tucked because of slighly too much pressure while leaned just ever so slightly over the threashold. On a bike that was allowing him to maintain this pace a few laps and corners before. Upsetting, yes, hence many reactions, but totally different than Bautista. Contrast, Bautista was completely out of control, on the gas, while everybody was braking. TURN ....... ONE. Not even same ball park. I would tell u to pull ur head out of ..., but i know you love the smell and taste of .....

Get real Jumkie.



The start, and a few laps in, is where you expect "wacky mistakes" due to the adrenaline running .......... but a few laps into the race one expects a bit of sense, which is why Rossi's fail was way worse.



How can you always get it so wrong

 

[michaelm]

I think rossi came from a fair way back as well, but we don't need to go there again. It was a racing incident which stoner himself said, apart from anything else it was at least midway through the race.



At the time I wondered if bautista's carbon fibre brakes had an early malfunction as the australian commentators suggested, and thought that was the only reasonable excuse. Certainly no rider of any competence could have deliberately attempted what he did in the belief it was a feasible move.



I think his explanation was sincere but go with jumkie to a large degree, this isn't F1 where the start is one of the few places to overtake and you have a safety capsule around you, and you can't win a motogp race in the first corner, you can only lose it for yourself and others. I don't think the new tyres obviate the need to warm up tyres somewhat either.

 

[Noodles Romanoff]

For what it's worth,..... I saw it as nothing more than a monumental .... up. I believe his version of why it happened.



I don't doubt for one second somebody else will do the same in the future.



As I like Bautista, I can rationalise that he was probably trying to get in with the front group as he felt he had that sort of pace (right or wrong), and not get stuck with the usual bunch he runs around with, only to clear them later, run a similar pace to the front group but having too large a gap to make the most of said pace.



Fair call, and to quote Senna, "if I see a gap, and don't go for it...I am then just turning up for the money and no longer a racer"



Doesn't excuse making the mistake, but people are people...and these guys are racers and mistakes happen.



Old enough to remember Doohan punting Lawson off at Suzuka when he got a dive up the inside wrong, Schwantz hitting Gardner up the bum, Schwantz chopping Lawsons nose off at Assen.....or...Lawson sticking his nose where it didn't belong at Assen (depending on your point of view), Doohan getting his braking wrong and endo-ing Schwantz at Donnington...etc, etc,etc



..even Gibbers taking out Capirex and Melandri, as horrendous as it was, was just a .... up.



It's nothing new. Kind of inherent to the sport, and if people didn't stick their neck out to try what they think might work.......we may as well watch the Military drill show at the Tattoo.







Biaggi elbowing Rossi onto the dirt, Capirex doing the same in another class, some of a certain "second coming of the Lord" moves in moto 2 etc is something different altogether, and worth getting wound up about.







To Quote Nicky Hayden "Alot of things look easy from the couch"



I'm glad to see Alvaro's still willing to try, glad to see Lorenzo is ok.....and hope Alvaro doesn't make the same mistake again.



He's done it before, but it was a while ago and I hope he's learning.



Appears to be.



Lorenzo's calmed down in regards to the incident, and accepted Alvaro's appology.



Not that it makes it right, but it's free from malicious intent...and to some extent, forgivable.



Just how I see it.

 

[mad mick]

With a big wooden dildo too I believe .......

This pic is probably the funniest thing I've seen on here!

 

[Arrabbiata1]

This pic is probably the funniest thing I've seen on here!

The subliminal significance is even funnier. Stay tuned

 

[Pander]

Boy, I have missed this forum.

 

[Keshav]

For what it's worth,..... I saw it as nothing more than a monumental .... up. I believe his version of why it happened.



I don't doubt for one second somebody else will do the same in the future.



As I like Bautista, I can rationalise that he was probably trying to get in with the front group as he felt he had that sort of pace (right or wrong), and not get stuck with the usual bunch he runs around with, only to clear them later, run a similar pace to the front group but having too large a gap to make the most of said pace.



Fair call, and to quote Senna, "if I see a gap, and don't go for it...I am then just turning up for the money and no longer a racer"



Doesn't excuse making the mistake, but people are people...and these guys are racers and mistakes happen.



Old enough to remember Doohan punting Lawson off at Suzuka when he got a dive up the inside wrong, Schwantz hitting Gardner up the bum, Schwantz chopping Lawsons nose off at Assen.....or...Lawson sticking his nose where it didn't belong at Assen (depending on your point of view), Doohan getting his braking wrong and endo-ing Schwantz at Donnington...etc, etc,etc



..even Gibbers taking out Capirex and Melandri, as horrendous as it was, was just a .... up.



It's nothing new. Kind of inherent to the sport, and if people didn't stick their neck out to try what they think might work.......we may as well watch the Military drill show at the Tattoo.







Biaggi elbowing Rossi onto the dirt, Capirex doing the same in another class, some of a certain "second coming of the Lord" moves in moto 2 etc is something different altogether, and worth getting wound up about.







To Quote Nicky Hayden "Alot of things look easy from the couch"



I'm glad to see Alvaro's still willing to try, glad to see Lorenzo is ok.....and hope Alvaro doesn't make the same mistake again.



He's done it before, but it was a while ago and I hope he's learning.



Appears to be.



Lorenzo's calmed down in regards to the incident, and accepted Alvaro's appology.



Not that it makes it right, but it's free from malicious intent...and to some extent, forgivable.



Just how I see it.

Good Post. I have to say I find it ironic how many people are bashing Bautista now - but were totally silent when ....... (yes I said it) Simoncellli continually rode out of control in the 250 class, downplaying the way he used other riders including Bautista like they were berms - calling it "trading paint".

 

[Jumkie]

For what it's worth,..... I saw it as nothing more than a monumental .... up. I believe his version of why it happened.



I don't doubt for one second somebody else will do the same in the future.



As I like Bautista, I can rationalise that he was probably trying to get in with the front group as he felt he had that sort of pace (right or wrong), and not get stuck with the usual bunch he runs around with, only to clear them later, run a similar pace to the front group but having too large a gap to make the most of said pace.

Undoubtedly prompted by the idea that he is pole material, which is misplaced confidence. He bought into getting pole at Silverstone, and it went to his head. But it was obviously lucky timing in that it started raining. A few more dry minutes and he would have been sitting in row two. I think you mentioned seeing Stoner's pole lap in the last minutes of qual at Assen, right? It looked like qual was over, but the weather cleared up for about 5 minutes. All the top 5 positions changed in a hurry.



Its great to feel confident in one self, but it should also be tempered by reality. I agree with you that he wasn't lying about how it happened. However, that IS the problem.

Fair call, and to quote Senna, "if I see a gap, and don't go for it...I am then just turning up for the money and no longer a racer"



Doesn't excuse making the mistake, but people are people...and these guys are racers and mistakes happen.

This quote hardly applies. Not sure why it would come to mind in this incident.

Old enough to remember Doohan punting Lawson off at Suzuka when he got a dive up the inside wrong, Schwantz hitting Gardner up the bum, Schwantz chopping Lawsons nose off at Assen.....or...Lawson sticking his nose where it didn't belong at Assen (depending on your point of view), Doohan getting his braking wrong and endo-ing Schwantz at Donnington...etc, etc,etc



..even Gibbers taking out Capirex and Melandri, as horrendous as it was, was just a .... up.



It's nothing new. Kind of inherent to the sport, and if people didn't stick their neck out to try what they think might work.......we may as well watch the Military drill show at the Tattoo.



Biaggi elbowing Rossi onto the dirt, Capirex doing the same in another class, some of a certain "second coming of the Lord" moves in moto 2 etc is something different altogether, and worth getting wound up about.

It is "inherent" in the sport only because it is allowed to continue. But its something that is generally avoidable. Most of the incidents you listed don't really compare. This was as you said, a monumental .... up. Out of control. No attempt to pass at all, just a guy who went into turn one on the gas while people were braking in that all important TURN ONE.

To Quote Nicky Hayden "Alot of things look easy from the couch"



I'm glad to see Alvaro's still willing to try, glad to see Lorenzo is ok.....and hope Alvaro doesn't make the same mistake again.



He's done it before, but it was a while ago and I hope he's learning.



Appears to be.



Lorenzo's calmed down in regards to the incident, and accepted Alvaro's appology.



Not that it makes it right, but it's free from malicious intent...and to some extent, forgivable.



Just how I see it.

Great quote, I concede all of us are just arm chair quarterbacks.

 

[Willski]

Perhaps the Nissens braking that bike uses isn't up to the job. Fausto, please order some Brembo's asap

 

[Jumkie]

Perhaps the Nissens braking that bike uses isn't up to the job. Fausto, please order some Brembo's asap

I'm not so sure it was the brakes buddy. Does Brembo make brain cells though?

Speaking of incidents, seriously, how did Nicky avoid giving Barbera an enema here?

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If there is anybody who can complain that their machine is actively trying to kill him, it would be the Pramac rider.

 

[Jumkie]

I know this is in the wrong thread, but I predict I am very ....... excited because my brand AntiSaint has made it to the moto2 paddock! Our logo is on Damo Cudlins helmet, he has picked up a ride as a replacement. Result!



Carry on...

i know you cant see it at 260kmh, but i know its there, and you guys do too

Well actually, it did make the telecast. He had problems with his bike, and as he was walking to his pit, the camera followed him. For a moment he turns to the side, and I could see your sponsorship sticker. So congrats, you made it to the big time. A TV camera shot courtesy of the world live feed.



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[stiefel]

I'm not so sure it was the brakes buddy. Does Brembo make brain cells though?

Speaking of incidents, seriously, how did Nicky avoid giving Barbera an enema here?

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If there is anybody who can complain that their machine is actively trying to kill him, it would be the Pramac rider.

Bottoming out a bit?

 

[Keshav]

Its great to feel confident in one self, but it should also be tempered by reality. I agree with you that he wasn't lying about how it happened. However, that IS the problem.

That of course is true - but self-confidence is not necessarily a logic-based quality. Yes - he was lucky to be where he was at the previous race - but this is a guy who rode frequently rode at the front of the pack in the 250 class and I would hazard to say that just being up there for the one race and doing a decent job of holding his own on a bike he's not yet fully gelled with probably gave him that confidence - rather than the pole which he could not possibly believe was anything other than being thrown a bone by the weather gods. I look at the way Johnny Rea goes at it on that tire eating Kawi despite knowing he's going to be eaten alive by half-way through the race. Logic and experience tell him in advance what the outcome will be - but he goes for it anyway. That confidence will take him a long way once he gets on the right bike.