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No, my criticism was aimed more at him not fighting for a single point, but just waiting for them to be awarded through crashes.

But he did fight for every point, just not fight in the manner that you seem to consider acceptable.

He stayed upright in conditions whereas many others failed to remain upright and ended with zero points.



The criticism of him for Assen has likely gone too far, he hasn't established a pattern so it's an isolated incident. But you know how things go when you get on a roll and people keep feeding the fire.

There is actually NO criticism that I have seen from respectable journalists but rather only from certain forum members (here and elsewhere), all, yes ALL of whom have a commonality of supporting Rossi (in some cases despite protestations)

As for feeding the fire, there are times when one should not bring a knife to a gunfight
 
Wow I have to hand it you guys for being willing to rebut mv's multiple posts that just seem to be the same thing over and over. Sorry if I missed anything valuable but I had to skip the last 25 pages, just can't spend that much time going over how Lorenzo has no balls or personality etc.
 
Wow I have to hand it you guys for being willing to rebut mv's multiple posts that just seem to be the same thing over and over. Sorry if I missed anything valuable but I had to skip the last 25 pages, just can't spend that much time going over how Lorenzo has no balls or personality etc.

You missed some pretty damn good pics

A video of Senna (appears a few times due to quotes)

All that was missing was a picture of Punksatawny Phil and Bill Murray from Groundhog Day
 
No, I do not maintain it was always the maximum amount of points. Some posted that Rossi said he wouldn't always risk going for 6th place instead of 8th. The that is still NOT the same as riding in last place. Lorenzo was riding for NO points. For me, that is unheard of! Stoner never did it, Rossi never did it, MM never and will never do it. Only Lorenzo has.

Seeing as you conveniently skipped over one of my last posts about this, I'll say it again; Lorenzo was in the points, finishing 10th. So where do you get this idea that you continually state that he was riding around out of the points.

Stoner had a similar race actually, in Donington 2009.

BTW, Stoner ran over 100 laps yesterday and today.

He tested two different Desmo's.

He will also be running again apparently at the Red Bull Ring July 19-21 alongside with the rest of the teams.

Another report:

Retired double world champion Casey Stoner has completed a 'very positive' test for Ducati at Misano.

The Australian star rode on Wednesday and Thursday, marking his first appearance at the Italian circuit since 2011.

Stoner previously made a brief debut on the 2016 Desmosedici during a rain interrupted post-race test at Qatar in March, but perfect conditions at Misano allowed him to complete 95% of this week's schedule.

The end result was some 'direction' with the Michelin tyres, chassis and electronics which will now be passed on to factory stars Andrea Dovizioso and Andrea Iannone.

“We've had a very positive test, this being my first time on a European track since 2012 and my first time in Misano since 2011,” Stoner began. “It's been a long time and it's really nice to ride these European-style tracks again and get a feel for what a bike is for basically 70 or 80 percent of the season.

“Everything we have done has been very positive; we got 95% of our test done over these two days so it's been very good. We got some direction with Michelin and were able to get a bit of direction between the chassis' and the electronics etc.

“I'm really looking forward to seeing what comes from this for the next stages and also what the factory riders really think of the steps we've been able to make.”

Stoner and Ducati were joined on track by Aprilia riders Sam Lowes and Mike di Meglio. Being a private test, no official lap times were released.

Stoner claimed Ducati's only MotoGP title in 2007 and remains the last person to win a race on a Desmosedici, in 2010. After finishing his career with Honda, the #27 re-joined Ducati at the start of this season as a test rider and brand ambassador.

Since then he has ridden the Desmosedici at Sepang, Qatar and now Misano. Stoner will return to the circuit for World Ducati Week from July 1-3.

“The next few days are going to be really interesting. I haven't been to World Ducati Week for a long time!” Stoner said. “It's hard to remember what it was like back then, but now I'm looking forward to the whole weekend and seeing so many fans, everyone who turns up, the amount of bikes.

“The 90th anniversary of Ducati is such a big celebration and I'm looking forward to being a part of it.”
 
Mama Miller speaks

An interview with .......' mum

Category: | Townsville Bulletin


IT was the moment Sonya Miller had always believed possible. Her son, Jack Miller, was leading a MotoGP race.

And she could barely watch.

While Jack went bar to bar with Marc Marquez in the Assen TT, Sonya was at home in Townsville watching the race unfold on television.

“I was under the covers, didn’t know where to look!” she told FOX SPORTS.

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“My hands were shaking, my heart was palpitating. I thought ‘just sit behind Marquez, that’ll be right, second’s great! second’s great!’

“And then he put the moves on him, and I’m like ‘please no, what are you doing!’”

With her boy now easing towards a breakthrough triumph, Sonya watched the waning laps alone, Jack’s dad Peter having flown to Asia on business that morning.

“He actually texted me with four laps to go,” she said.

“And I went ‘oh my god he’s winning, I can’t talk to you right now!’ I can’t believe you’re not here for this!”


Miller makes the race-winning pass at the final chicane.
The victory is the latest highlight in an incredible career to the 21-year-old from Townsville.

It was similar conditions in 2012 that first allowed Miller to show his potential in the German Moto3 Grand Prix, the wet weather erasing his ageing machine’s disadvantage and allowing him to lead and fight for the win.

It was a ride that, in a way, repaid all of his parents’ sacrifice to send their young son to Europe at just 14 to pursue his dream.

It earnt him a better but still under matched bike for 2013, Miller showing clear potential but breaking many bones trying to bully the machine into delivering race-winning speed.

His rides caught the attention of top team chief Aki Ajo, who recruited Miller to the works KTM squad for 2014 off the recommendation of the late Luis Salom.

Finally aboard a machine he didn’t have to override, Miller won first time out in Qatar to kick off a season where he’d fight for the title.

For mum Sonya, her feelings then were the same as now.

“It’s just what you dream of for your child — always — and then it comes true,” she said.

“I’m just in shock, same as that first win in Qatar, actually, same thing.

“Any time they get on a podium — your son gets on a podium — you’re just absolutely beside yourself. That’s all you want is for them to do well.

“I just want Jack to be confident in himself. I know, and I’ve always known he’s had this potential, and now he’s just shown the world he can do it.”

Confidence has been in short supply since his title-contending year of 2014.

His form earnt him a shock graduation to MotoGP for 2015, a calculated gamble from Honda that believed Miller’s raw talent didn’t require polishing in Moto2.

The subsequent 18 months gave the knockers plenty of fodder.

When he signed, it looked like Miller had just got a golden ticket; the MotoGP Honda had just romped to 10 straight wins at the hands of Marc Marquez and appeared the best bike in the field.

But the 2015 iteration of their RC213V was more Mr Hyde than the 2014 machine’s Dr Jekyll.

What Miller got to play with was even a step behind that; the cheaper, slower Open-class version, not fast enough to fight for top 10 finishes but with enough vices to shake even the strongest self belief.

As the crashes mounted up, so did the nay-sayers barbs.

Bad luck played its part too.

He put himself through a rigorous training regimen in the off-season, hiring a live-in personal trainer who transformed him into a fitter, leaner man ready to tackle his sophomore season in the big leagues.

And then he broke his leg while training on a motocross bike.

Coming barely two weeks before testing began, it disrupted a crucial pre-season program where Miller had planned to learn his new bike for 2016, one near-equal to the Honda that Marquez would be riding.

“It’s been really tough,” Sonya said, confirming that Jack downplayed just how much the lingering injury hobbled him in 2016.

“It was a very severe injury. And when he hurt it again in Austin, that really set him back because it shifted plates and things and he had to start again.

“I think the last two races it’s been back to nearly 100 per cent and he’s been able to weight the bike properly, and I think that’s made a huge difference in his riding ability on the Honda because it’s tricky.”

18 months of frustration and anguish since his last win, his final Moto3 race at Valencia in 2014, were washed away as he crossed the line at Assen.

The emotion was clear in what was left of his voice; his words heartwrenching for his mum half the world away.

“I just broke my heart that I wasn’t there for him, that we couldn’t be there to ... I hate it when anyone calls themselves an ....., because he’s not — or anybody in this world,” she said.

“To hear him say that was a bit heartbreaking. I knew his year had been so tough.

“I’m just so proud of him.”
 
A ....... joins the Aussie pantheon! | Motor Sport Magazine

In no way do I seek to diminish Miller’s wonderful achievement, but if MotoGP’s interrupted race regulations weren’t such a joke, he would not have won the race.

Consider what happened. Riders started the 26-lap race on rain tyres. A dry line began to appear, then the rain came back with a vengeance, with riders fighting 180mph aquaplaning and barely able to see the rev counter, let alone the racetrack. During those few laps they probably took more risks than they’d taken during the year’s previous seven races. As Scott Redding, said “I feared for my life.”

Finally, after 14 laps the red flags came out. It was the right decision because aquaplaning off a track at 180mph is unlikely to end well. But the race wasn’t restarted.

According to the rule book, the first race was annulled, like it had never even happened, so the riders had simply ridden through a bad dream, all the risks they’d taken during 14 arse-puckering laps had been nothing more than a hallucination. Luckily no one lay in hospital with an injury sustained in a race that had never happened. As Rainey said after a similar situation transpired at Spa-Francorchamps in 1989, “I can’t believe I just risked my life for absolutely nothing.”

According to the rules a new race was started once the torrential rain had subsided, with riders starting from the positions in which they had finished the first race, or qualifying session, if you prefer.

Conditions were still treacherous. Miller, Marquez, Redding and the rest once again took huge risks. So too did Rossi, Dovizioso, Cal Crutchlow, Bradley Smith, Dani Pedrosa, Yonny Hernandez and many others, except theirs didn’t work out.

The race lasted 12 laps, to bring the total laps to the originally planned 26 laps. Miller was the deserved winner, Marquez second, Redding third. So a 12-lap race took precedence over a 14-lap race.


In the old days, interrupted races were restarted and the result decided by adding times from both starts, so every risk and every genius move was rewarded.

The problem was the fans, or at least that’s what right-holders Dorna believed. The theory went that fans would find the concept of combined times too complicated, perhaps encouraging them to change channels and watch football, which would hurt Dorna profits.

I kind of understood that argument. But nowadays on-board transponders deliver lap times and rider positions several times a lap, which can keep fans fully up to date, second by second.
I wouldn't go for combined times either, there's nothing worse than the guy crossing the line first actually being 5th, or two riders swapping position when it makes no difference to the overall because one was 5 seconds behind. They have a point about riding for nothing prior to the red flag, I think its better to award half points in that situation.

Oh and I cant resist. Jack Miller lasted all of 2 paragraphs before he has to say it: "9 times champion of the world"

and by contrast Marquez is only "2 times Motogp".

Jack maybe the ....... but for Oxley its "......."
 
Oxley needs to .... off.

I get the attraction to doing aggregate times, but I can't stand that .... personally. It has nothing to do with it being complicated.
 
Oxley needs to .... off.

I get the attraction to doing aggregate times, but I can't stand that .... personally. It has nothing to do with it being complicated.

Same as always, the rules are the rules, and the riders ride in awareness of them, until the rules are changed.

I agree when it was aggregate time this was both confusing for riders and watchers and a poor spectacle, and agree half points for each half race is probably fairest and best.
 
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I don't get how Oxley gets that the first race meant nothing. The start of the second race was based on the first and that is huge in the wet. There were plenty of riders who benefitted greatly from the first race, none more than the eventual winner. Those whiny ..... are just upset Rossi lost 20 more points to the championship leader and are opining about about what ifs if there were split points. Had Rossi gone on to win and Matquez crashed out, you would never have seen this article.
 
I don't get how Oxley gets that the first race meant nothing. The start of the second race was based on the first and that is huge in the wet. There were plenty of riders who benefitted greatly from the first race, none more than the eventual winner. Those whiny ..... are just upset Rossi lost 20 more points to the championship leader and are opining about about what ifs if there were split points. Had Rossi gone on to win and Matquez crashed out, you would never have seen this article.

That is a valid point as well. If a rider crashes out/dnfs in either half race it could be argued they shouldn't earn points on the day.

Rossi obviously wouldn't have earned points on an aggregate time basis either, I presume Oxley is arguing MM should have won, although he had the chance to win under the current rules and couldn't win or chose not to risk trying to win.
 
Wow I have to hand it you guys for being willing to rebut mv's multiple posts that just seem to be the same thing over and over. Sorry if I missed anything valuable but I had to skip the last 25 pages, just can't spend that much time going over how Lorenzo has no balls or personality etc.

Oh I dont know. I think that it has been very useful.
In this round we learned that:
rossi rossi tried so hard ..... his ambition was immense.
But he still only got 0 points.
So in the equation

Race performance = ambition X talent ( a formula derived only by the finest proffessor in MGP )

rossi got 0 and since he has massive ambition ....... ( according to paper ratso and moto roodoo )

he has zero talent.

Lorenzo on the other hand got 6 ...... ie.

Lorenzos race performance = 1 ( for his aparently low ambition) X 6 ( which means he has massively larger talent than rossi.

Its all pretty f@#ked in the head .....
 
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U ..... still arguing about a race that was almost 1 week ago lol?? The start and re start had to be made. Too much water and not safe to ride a motorbike. The 2nd part of the race was more fun to watch. Rossi went down like an ..... pushing too hard and marc let miller pass him like a ..... cuz he didnt wanna crash.
 
A ....... joins the Aussie pantheon! | Motor Sport Magazine


I wouldn't go for combined times either, there's nothing worse than the guy crossing the line first actually being 5th, or two riders swapping position when it makes no difference to the overall because one was 5 seconds behind. They have a point about riding for nothing prior to the red flag, I think its better to award half points in that situation.

Oh and I cant resist. Jack Miller lasted all of 2 paragraphs before he has to say it: "9 times champion of the world"

and by contrast Marquez is only "2 times Motogp".

Jack maybe the ....... but for Oxley its "......."

Oxley is just a .... TBH, I don't want to devalue Millers achievement but *starts to devalue it*. If we are going on aggregate times Rossi and Dovi were barely ahead of Marquez and Pedrosa anyway and if the race hadn't have been reflagged when it was they both would've been behind the two repsol riders.

The race was for nothing? Ya know other than keeping the positions they had and Rossis closest rival having to keep his spot in 19th at the restart. Throw in Miller was riding a comfortable race at the start and didn't try to keep extending the gap which he may have if he had to make more time up on Marquez. I don't think it's a stupid rule at all, in a normal race the top 4 factory bikes take off from the field as usual and normal play is resumed after the restart. I can see the merit in an aggregate time scenario but a straight fight in a sprint makes for a better race IMO. It seems the story will now go that if it was on aggregate Rossi wouldn't have pushed and stayed on because he had a few seconds in the bag when in reality that isn't true.
 
I especially liked, maybe we should change the rules to say if 52% of the race is complete it can be called.... That would've seen Rossi in 3rd
 
Just read the Oxley article. Jesus Christ. Cold he be any more obvious in his Rossi fanboyism?
 
I can't bear to read it, the amount of oxley nonsense and Rossi biase makes me cringe.

I also know it will waste 10 minutes of my time I'll never get back
 
From Misano today...

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It's funny, even though he rode the Repsol Honda for 2 years, and that LCR in his first year, the Ducati is the only bike he ever looked perfectly at home on.

I think it's also the colors. They suit him well.
Anyway Stoner and Ducati are meant for each other, there is no doubt about that.

Ducati is keeping very quiet about the Misano test, but rumors say his lap times were in line with the track record.
 
I think it's also the colors. They suit him well.
Anyway Stoner and Ducati are meant for each other, there is no doubt about that.

Ducati is keeping very quiet about the Misano test, but rumors say his lap times were in line with the track record.

Any reason why they are being mum about the test and the times?

I didn't realize Stoner still holds the track record, and set the record back in 2007 with a 1:33.918. If he was in line with all of that, that's pretty good stuff to have not ridden there in 4 years, and be on pace.
 

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