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Iannone looking good. Maybe the ducati will get that W after all.
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I actually agree MM wasn't going to make the corner and argued so at the time. I can't see that Rossi was obliged to accept sufficient contact from MM to prove this and risk being taken out. Interesting though that he managed to catch Rossi on that last lap, something which was apparently proof of previous tanking in the PI race later in the year.
There was a similar more successful use of another rider as a berm by MM at Jerez 2013, with the initial precedent of course set by Rossi himself at the last corner at Jerez 2005.
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I think he has a grid penalty.
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I don't even have a problem with MM attempting that last chicane pass, it's his job. The only issue I have is that he screwed up, didn't pull it off, then didn't own up to his screw up. Instead he kept saying in Parc Ferme that he did nothing wrong and Rossi cut the corner. He went on to joke about motocross at the press conference. He completely ignored the fact that he blew the corner and made substantial contact with Rossi's bike. That came after he implied Rossi was at fault for his crash in Argentina. No surprise that tension between Rossi's and MM's would continue to heat up bringing more accusations later in the season and the events at Sepang.
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Can I see the video that shows this? The one you posted shows MM in his line and Rossi coming in on him. You must have a different video show the one where MM substantial contacted Rossi bike.
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This video has the helicopter view.
You can clearly see that Marc never got in front of Rossi, so Rossi was the rider in front with preference to choose his line. The line that Marc was on, was not good for the speed he was carrying, he was going to run wide and blow the corner using that narrow entry line. Rossi was on the proper line to make the corner until Marc made contact with him.
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Yeah, that video does show your point a little more clear, but, he had his line and Rossi came over on him, not the other way around, so Rossi made the contact. I do not see the screwing up on his part, other than being where Rossi wanted to be at that time.
To me, the is 100% racing incident. It happens.. But on the big boy pants and move on.
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Jorge isnt as fast out the box as usual so far....so JLo could slip back toward Iannone as he come forward to get him....unless Cal gets to Jorge first...
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Look at the helicopter view. It's a clear overhead angle that shows exactly where each rider is at all times. You're looking at one camera from a bad angle. Marc never got in front of Rossi, but even if he had he wasn't going to make that corner... he was way too hot and guaranteed to run very wide on the exit. "A" for his effort. "F" for his execution. As for Rossi "coming over on him", Rossi was the rider in front and had preference to choose his line, all Rossi did was move to apex the corner instead of staying wide leaving the door wide open for Marc.
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Look at the helicopter view. It's a clear overhead angle that shows exactly where each rider is at all times. You're looking at one camera from a bad angle. Marc never got in front of Rossi, but even if he had he wasn't going to make that corner... he was way to hot and guaranteed to run very wide on the exit. "A" for his effort. "F" for his execution.
I said your video showed more what you are referring to, but the last shot was where they made contact, prior to the apex of the corner, when Rossi came down on MM. We will never know what would happen after that. At that point MM was true to his line, about 3/4 up on the side of Rossi.
Should he have been there, maybe not. Do her go in hot, maybe, never know do to the contact. Was Rossi right in shutting the down on him by coming down on him, maybe...
Like I said. It was a racing incident, and all worked out. I just disagree with you on the amount of blame you are throwing at MM and saying he screwed up or made a stupid move. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but we will never know because Rossi cut him off and made contact.
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Rossi slammed the door shut, but Marquez was already committed to a dive up the inside. Racing incident.
General consensus last year was that Marquez was being an ....., but that was when it was 'Murder Marquez', now he's flavour of the week again it'll be interesting to see if the same people will have an alternative view of history.
General consensus last year was that Marquez was being an ....., but that was when it was 'Murder Marquez', now he's flavour of the week again it'll be interesting to see if the same people will have an alternative view of history.
I didn't watch the Argentina race live, not at 3.00 am in the morning here, but was not aware of any accusations by MM at the time. It was certainly an error of judgement on his part, he was never going to make a re-pass stick, Rossi was much faster and had made up 4 seconds on him. Watching replays in a way Rossi caused him to crash, but he was in front and MM shouldn't have put his bike where he tried to, and again should have settled for his best possible result which was second anyway.
MM has often been reckless, no one can deny that. No moral equivalence between those incidents and the Sepang incident though, however hard you may try to draw such equivalence.
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I already said that I don't blame Marc for attempting the pass, but he DID screw up. He was carrying too much speed and never got in front of Rossi to claim any line. Rossi can't really cut him off if he was in front. It would have been extremely stupid for Rossi to intentionally miss the apex just to give Marc plenty of room for a dive bomb pass attempt. Marc knew Rossi had to cut back toward the apex otherwise Rossi would have been in a terrible position to make 2nd half of the chicane. Again it was Marc's error in judgement that caused the contact but it was a fairly normal racing incident. The issue I had was Marc couldn't admit it was just a racing incident and wanted Rossi penalized for cutting the corner.
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I didn't say Assen 2015 or Argentina 2015 was equivalent to Sepang 2015. I'm just staying that because of the accusations at Argentina & Assen the tension had begun to mount between the two riders that would eventually lead to Sepang.
Again, I don't quite see your point. The Argentina thing was raised by his scumbag manager after Sepang and never directly by MM as far as I am aware, MM changed his approach and largely stopped crashing out of races in the second half of the season, and was more or less criticised for not riding recklessly, and raced Rossi vigorously but not illegally, or even unfairly imo, at Sepang, after quite possibly going out of his way not to put the title contenders at risk from his riding at PI.
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I thought I remembered Marc making a comment about Rossi being at fault for Argentina in a post race interview, but after searching for the past 30 minutes I haven't been able to find any comments like that from him so I may have been wrong.
