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Aoyama 'All electronics-off' strategy explained

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He did some .... hot laps in December

Aoyama 'electronics-off' strategy explained

“If we're slower than the rest, who cares? We've switched all the electronics off. Why hide a character trait that the rider needs to learn?” - Tom Jojic.

The modern breed of peaky 800cc MotoGP bikes, it is said by some, would be almost unrideable without their extensive range of electronic riding aids.

As such, when sending a rookie out for his very first MotoGP laps, it might be expected that the team would crank the electronics to a maximum and then reduce the level of 'assistance' as time goes on.

So why did the new Interwetten Honda team do exactly the opposite with Hiroshi Aoyama?

Technical director Tom Jojic, with Honda's blessing, initially sent the final 250cc world champion out for his MotoGP debut at the Valencia test without electronic assistance - a tactic repeated during the Japanese star's second test at Sepang in late December.

“Basically at Valencia my idea was to limit the electronic aids - and Honda were happy for me to do that,” said Jojic, speaking exclusively to Crash.net. “After I made the suggestion, Honda were happy to go in that direction also.”

A brave decision?

“Yeah... But we have to remember that although Hiro is a MotoGP rookie he is also a world champion,” he replied. “The guys that win races in this [MotoGP] world championship are basically all former 250cc world champions - Casey was close enough but never made it. These guys are the best riders in the world. If he can't control it nobody can.

“So what I wanted to do was, first of all, not put any pressure on Hiro from a lap time point of view. Because there is no need. We're testing. If we're slower than the rest in Valencia who cares? Because we've switched all the electronic aids off.

“And why hide a character trait in the bike from the rider, when ultimately he needs to learn what it's going to do?”

So you didn't want to 'numb' the true character of the bike through the electronics?

“Exactly. I wanted him to feel what the Honda is. Go out there, ride around and see what he thinks. I know we can switch electronics on and stop it doing certain things, but Hiro needs to know when to do that. He needs to know when to ask for the help.

“So that was the plan and in Valencia we did eventually start to turn some of the electronics on. Not a great deal. My philosophy is don't over-control anything. If he's complaining then we'll help him, if he isn't we'll leave him alone.

“We [the team] can look at the data and know, from our experience, how a MotoGP rider can change their style or where we need to help from our side by changing the bike. Our experience helps him and him being a world champion helps us. And the sooner he understands the bike the easier it is for him to ask for things.

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Funny how it seems the guys that hate the peaky 800's loved the peaky 500's. The 800's without TC would be even crazier than the half liter 2 smokers but rather than unleash the beast we have to go for the Chevrolet engine concept.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jan 5 2010, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He did some .... hot laps in December

Aoyama 'electronics-off' strategy explained

“If we're slower than the rest, who cares? We've switched all the electronics off. Why hide a character trait that the rider needs to learn?” - Tom Jojic.

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Translation: "Holy .... those 4 guys are fast, we've not got a snowflakes chance in the pyres of hell, better start working on an excuse that is 'stand up old school' so we maintain our cred running 11th".
 
Sounds like a load of bollocks to me, you're gonna race with TC on cause it's faster, why waste your precious testing time learning to ride in a way you're not going to use when the real stuff starts???
Hiro and the rest of 250cc lot come from a series with very little electronic aids, they already know how to handle peaky engines manually, the sooner they start getting used to setting up TC the sooner they will be ready to extract maximum performance from the system.
Nowadays it's very "cool" to say "yeah I don't use electronics" but at the end of the day, all of them use it, so if you want to impress anyone beat the rest of rookies and stop talking about how macho you are.
 
It worked in British Superbikes with the MSS Kawasaki team. They lost their way big time with the advances in electronics. In a test, it was decided to turn off all electronic aids and let the riders try to understand what the bike was doing with only throttle control. Some electronic input was slowly applied in the form of traction control and it was a major success. They had a strong finish to the season and are in good shape to start 2010.
Of course Motogp is a massive step forward, but the logic is the same. Don't get me wrong here, Aoyama won't be bashing bars with Stoner once he gets to grips with the traction control, but it will help him understand what the laptop does to the performance of his bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Jan 5 2010, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like a load of bollocks to me, you're gonna race with TC on cause it's faster, why waste your precious testing time learning to ride in a way you're not going to use when the real stuff starts???
Hiro and the rest of 250cc lot come from a series with very little electronic aids, they already know how to handle peaky engines manually, the sooner they start getting used to setting up TC the sooner they will be ready to extract maximum performance from the system.
Nowadays it's very "cool" to say "yeah I don't use electronics" but at the end of the day, all of them use it, so if you want to impress anyone beat the rest of rookies and stop talking about how macho you are.

I think you are missing the point they are trying to make. The way i understand it the idea is that the rider can learn the character and behaviour of the bike without the electronic aids so that when he comes to use them he will have a much clearer idea of when he does and doesn't need help. That way they can use the electronics to help them go faster without needlessly taking control away from the rider to stop the bike reacting in a way which isn't as problematic as it may seem to a rider not familiar with it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Jan 6 2010, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That sounds like a perfectly plausible strategy to me. Good for them.

Agreed.
Testing is TESTING. Who cares about the times in testing.
They need Hiro and the team to learn the bike, and learn how to set it up. I think it makes a lot of sense to do a couple of sessions with no electronics, feel what the bike wants to do before the electronics kick in, and not worry about times - provided he doesn't high-side and put himself in a wheelchair.
I think Oayama will be the pick of the new guys, and think (with some Japanese political pressure) you will find him on the factory bike in 2011.
 
It may have been this kind of philosophy that enabled Ayoma to succeed
so convincingly on the out-dated Honda. I say keep an open mind.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 5 2010, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you are missing the point they are trying to make. The way i understand it the idea is that the rider can learn the character and behaviour of the bike without the electronic aids so that when he comes to use them he will have a much clearer idea of when he does and doesn't need help. That way they can use the electronics to help them go faster without needlessly taking control away from the rider to stop the bike reacting in a way which isn't as problematic as it may seem to a rider not familiar with it.
Thanks Tom. You saved me from having to write that post.

Seriously though, I wish electronics off was somehow able to be introduced as a rule. For WSBK too!
 

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