Hope he gets a decent ride in WSS, and maybe get into WSBK in the future on decent machinery. He deserves something after the disaster that is the Kawasaki motoGP team.
Is Hopkins good enough for WSBK? Yes.
Has West beaten Hopkins on several occassions when the ZX-RR isn't getting him killed? Yes.
What the hell is this guy doing in WSS? He should be given a good satellite ride in the big leagues of superbikes. Even if he's not the fastest man who's ever ridden, the premier class takes a work ethic and a discipline that isn't required by many lesser classes.
He's come too far in the last 1.5 years to go back to WSS.
Has West beaten Hopkins on several occassions when the ZX-RR isn't getting him killed? Yes.
What the hell is this guy doing in WSS? He should be given a good satellite ride in the big leagues of superbikes. Even if he's not the fastest man who's ever ridden, the premier class takes a work ethic and a discipline that isn't required by many lesser classes.
He's come too far in the last 1.5 years to go back to WSS.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 7 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is Hopkins good enough for WSBK? Yes.
Has West beaten Hopkins on several occassions when the ZX-RR isn't getting him killed? Yes.
What the hell is this guy doing in WSS? He should be given a good satellite ride in the big leagues of superbikes. Even if he's not the fastest man who's ever ridden, the premier class takes a work ethic and a discipline that isn't required by many lesser classes.
He's come too far in the last 1.5 years to go back to WSS.
Lex you talk about the WSS as if its the lowest grade in road racing, to me its the third lowest simply because its a samller cc engine. If Anthony dose well and makes a pay check in the process and then depending on the results gets a good seat in 2010, wheres the problem in that, its not like he's going to the AMA
Sure a WSBK seat would be better but if its not going to happen and a seat in WSS is a possibility, I say go for it
Has West beaten Hopkins on several occassions when the ZX-RR isn't getting him killed? Yes.
What the hell is this guy doing in WSS? He should be given a good satellite ride in the big leagues of superbikes. Even if he's not the fastest man who's ever ridden, the premier class takes a work ethic and a discipline that isn't required by many lesser classes.
He's come too far in the last 1.5 years to go back to WSS.
Lex you talk about the WSS as if its the lowest grade in road racing, to me its the third lowest simply because its a samller cc engine. If Anthony dose well and makes a pay check in the process and then depending on the results gets a good seat in 2010, wheres the problem in that, its not like he's going to the AMA
Sure a WSBK seat would be better but if its not going to happen and a seat in WSS is a possibility, I say go for it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 7 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex you talk about the WSS as if its the lowest grade in road racing, to me its the third lowest simply because its a samller cc engine. If Anthony dose well and makes a pay check in the process and then depending on the results gets a good seat in 2010, wheres the problem in that, its not like he's going to the AMA
Sure a WSBK seat would be better but if its not going to happen and a seat in WSS is a possibility, I say go for it
It is!
It is the home of 250cc rejects, old AMA retreads, little mincy European children who can't handle a WSBK, fast riders who can't stay upright for more than 5 minutes at a time, and now Ant West.
WSS is the FIM's junkyard. There is still lots of good stuff, but it's only about 1/2 step above a landfill or a sewage plant.
Sure a WSBK seat would be better but if its not going to happen and a seat in WSS is a possibility, I say go for it
It is!
It is the home of 250cc rejects, old AMA retreads, little mincy European children who can't handle a WSBK, fast riders who can't stay upright for more than 5 minutes at a time, and now Ant West.
WSS is the FIM's junkyard. There is still lots of good stuff, but it's only about 1/2 step above a landfill or a sewage plant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 7 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is!
It is the home of 250cc rejects, old AMA retreads, little mincy European children who can't handle a WSBK, fast riders who can't stay upright for more than 5 minutes at a time, and now Ant West.
WSS is the FIM's junkyard. There is still lots of good stuff, but it's only about 1/2 step above a landfill or a sewage plant.
Your entitled to your opinion but I totally disagree with you, but then you talk more ........ about conspiracies and so on that I dont think you watch the sport for the same reasons as I do
WSS has some fine riders and is great to watch. WSS bikes are by no means simple bikes to ride sure easier than a WSBK and Motogp beast, but the battles are no less vicious and probably more aggressive. In the majority of peoples eyes WSS is also a stepping stone to WSBK and Motogp
Have you ever ridden a 600cc sports fast on track, they are great fun
Motogp has only... I dont know 4 mabey 6 riders that are really in for a chance of taking the WC title what dose that say about Motogp in realtion to WSS using your method of assessment?
It is the home of 250cc rejects, old AMA retreads, little mincy European children who can't handle a WSBK, fast riders who can't stay upright for more than 5 minutes at a time, and now Ant West.
WSS is the FIM's junkyard. There is still lots of good stuff, but it's only about 1/2 step above a landfill or a sewage plant.
Your entitled to your opinion but I totally disagree with you, but then you talk more ........ about conspiracies and so on that I dont think you watch the sport for the same reasons as I do
WSS has some fine riders and is great to watch. WSS bikes are by no means simple bikes to ride sure easier than a WSBK and Motogp beast, but the battles are no less vicious and probably more aggressive. In the majority of peoples eyes WSS is also a stepping stone to WSBK and Motogp
Have you ever ridden a 600cc sports fast on track, they are great fun
Motogp has only... I dont know 4 mabey 6 riders that are really in for a chance of taking the WC title what dose that say about Motogp in realtion to WSS using your method of assessment?
I say good riddance. Anthony West has no place in MotoGP, the guy is just not a good rider.... that's it, end of story. Shut up with your sympathy for the guy, as if he was going hungry every night or whatever. The guy somehow managed to find a ride in MotoGP for who knows what reason, maybe his fairy godmother granted him his miracle wish. But guess what, it is about to hit midnight.... and all of this will be but a bitter sweet memory for the him. And all you people who are crying and moaning about how he 'deserves' a place in MotoGP will finally come to an end, can't wait for that day to come.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 7 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your entitled to your opinion but I totally disagree with you, but then you talk more ........ about conspiracies and so on that I dont think you watch the sport for the same reasons as I do
WSS has some fine riders and is great to watch. WSS bikes are by no means simple bikes to ride sure easier than a WSBK and Motogp beast, but the battles are no less vicious and probably more aggressive. In the majority of peoples eyes WSS is also a stepping stone to WSBK and Motogp
Have you ever ridden a 600cc sports fast on track, they are great fun
Motogp has only... I dont know 4 mabey 6 riders that are really in for a chance of taking the WC title what dose that say about Motogp in realtion to WSS using your method of assessment?
Anytime I use hyperbole, don't take it too seriously.
WSS is not a junkyard or a sewage plant or a landfill, but I do think Ant is better than WSS.
My conspiracies rarely have any hyperbole unless I'm having a dig at someone. They aren't difficult to understand either. Ezy wanted to reduce cornering speeds and get Vale onto tires built for someone of his stature. He didn't want to kick Michelin out and he didn't want them to leave at the end of 2007.
You'd have to be a fool to think that Ezy, the tire manufacturers, and the bike manufacturers weren't going to have at least 1 go at a controlled tire with multiple manufacturers.
I think the experiment was relatively successful. 4 different winners in 4 races. The races weren't close and Stoner was not getting a fair shake, but it wasn't too bad. If Michelin had made substantial improvement at Laguna and Brno we might not be having this control tire discussion.
WSS has some fine riders and is great to watch. WSS bikes are by no means simple bikes to ride sure easier than a WSBK and Motogp beast, but the battles are no less vicious and probably more aggressive. In the majority of peoples eyes WSS is also a stepping stone to WSBK and Motogp
Have you ever ridden a 600cc sports fast on track, they are great fun
Motogp has only... I dont know 4 mabey 6 riders that are really in for a chance of taking the WC title what dose that say about Motogp in realtion to WSS using your method of assessment?
WSS is not a junkyard or a sewage plant or a landfill, but I do think Ant is better than WSS.
My conspiracies rarely have any hyperbole unless I'm having a dig at someone. They aren't difficult to understand either. Ezy wanted to reduce cornering speeds and get Vale onto tires built for someone of his stature. He didn't want to kick Michelin out and he didn't want them to leave at the end of 2007.
You'd have to be a fool to think that Ezy, the tire manufacturers, and the bike manufacturers weren't going to have at least 1 go at a controlled tire with multiple manufacturers.
I think the experiment was relatively successful. 4 different winners in 4 races. The races weren't close and Stoner was not getting a fair shake, but it wasn't too bad. If Michelin had made substantial improvement at Laguna and Brno we might not be having this control tire discussion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 7 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I say good riddance. Anthony West has no place in MotoGP, the guy is just not a good rider.... that's it, end of story. Shut up with your sympathy for the guy, as if he was going hungry every night or whatever. The guy somehow managed to find a ride in MotoGP for who knows what reason, maybe his fairy godmother granted him his miracle wish. But guess what, it is about to hit midnight.... and all of this will be but a bitter sweet memory for the him. And all you people who are crying and moaning about how he 'deserves' a place in MotoGP will finally come to an end, can't wait for that day to come.
Has Shinya signed a contract for next year?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Oct 7 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Has Shinya signed a contract for next year?
I've heard HRC test rider. Seriously.
I've heard HRC test rider. Seriously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 8 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've heard HRC test rider. Seriously.
Has it been confirmed? Even if your right Austin and he stays another season in Motogp as rider/test rider he is riding in his 11th hour
Has it been confirmed? Even if your right Austin and he stays another season in Motogp as rider/test rider he is riding in his 11th hour
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 7 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Anytime I use hyperbole, don't take it too seriously.
WSS is not a junkyard or a sewage plant or a landfill, but I do think Ant is better than WSS.
My conspiracies rarely have any hyperbole unless I'm having a dig at someone. They aren't difficult to understand either. Ezy wanted to reduce cornering speeds and get Vale onto tires built for someone of his stature. He didn't want to kick Michelin out and he didn't want them to leave at the end of 2007.
You'd have to be a fool to think that Ezy, the tire manufacturers, and the bike manufacturers weren't going to have at least 1 go at a controlled tire with multiple manufacturers.
I think the experiment was relatively successful. 4 different winners in 4 races. The races weren't close and Stoner was not getting a fair shake, but it wasn't too bad. If Michelin had made substantial improvement at Laguna and Brno we might not be having this control tire discussion.
Lex since when was a topic about Ant West possibly going to WSS have anything to do with Ezy and control tires in Moto GP? Did you cut and paste this from another post or just get mixed up?
WSS is not a junkyard or a sewage plant or a landfill, but I do think Ant is better than WSS.
My conspiracies rarely have any hyperbole unless I'm having a dig at someone. They aren't difficult to understand either. Ezy wanted to reduce cornering speeds and get Vale onto tires built for someone of his stature. He didn't want to kick Michelin out and he didn't want them to leave at the end of 2007.
You'd have to be a fool to think that Ezy, the tire manufacturers, and the bike manufacturers weren't going to have at least 1 go at a controlled tire with multiple manufacturers.
I think the experiment was relatively successful. 4 different winners in 4 races. The races weren't close and Stoner was not getting a fair shake, but it wasn't too bad. If Michelin had made substantial improvement at Laguna and Brno we might not be having this control tire discussion.
Lex since when was a topic about Ant West possibly going to WSS have anything to do with Ezy and control tires in Moto GP? Did you cut and paste this from another post or just get mixed up?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 7 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WSS has some fine riders and is great to watch. WSS bikes are by no means simple bikes to ride sure easier than a WSBK and Motogp beast, but the battles are no less vicious and probably more aggressive.
Agreed. WSS has been a blast to watch this year, great competition.
In regards to Ant West courting Ten Kate Supersport, I'm pretty sure Pitt will return next year to defend his title (mostly because Rea got a seat in WSBK over him) and isn't Sofuglu supposed to return to Ten Kate Supersport? Is there talks of a 3rd Ten Kate bike in WSS?
Agreed. WSS has been a blast to watch this year, great competition.
In regards to Ant West courting Ten Kate Supersport, I'm pretty sure Pitt will return next year to defend his title (mostly because Rea got a seat in WSBK over him) and isn't Sofuglu supposed to return to Ten Kate Supersport? Is there talks of a 3rd Ten Kate bike in WSS?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Oct 8 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Has it been confirmed? Even if your right Austin and he stays another season in Motogp as rider/test rider he is riding in his 11th hour
I haven't heard anything official but the commentators from motogp.com were talking as if it was all done and dusted. That's generally how those test rider contracts go isn't it? No one makes a sound and all of a sudden he shows up at Motegi on some super secret HRC evolution package.
I haven't heard anything official but the commentators from motogp.com were talking as if it was all done and dusted. That's generally how those test rider contracts go isn't it? No one makes a sound and all of a sudden he shows up at Motegi on some super secret HRC evolution package.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Oct 8 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lex since when was a topic about Ant West possibly going to WSS have anything to do with Ezy and control tires in Moto GP? Did you cut and paste this from another post or just get mixed up?
You know, I was thinking the same thing after he posted that and I was about to reply but I though its "crazy lex" at work
and decided it would be best not to go there
You know, I was thinking the same thing after he posted that and I was about to reply but I though its "crazy lex" at work
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 9 2008, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't heard anything official but the commentators from motogp.com were talking as if it was all done and dusted. That's generally how those test rider contracts go isn't it? No one makes a sound and all of a sudden he shows up at Motegi on some super secret HRC evolution package.
Ya I heard Nick Harris say that, but that geezer gets it wrong more times. Watching the Motogp weekend live online at first Nick makes it almost unbearable because he makes so many mistakes, but after a while with Gavin correcting him the whole time it becomes quite funny. Back to the point, I did'nt hear Gavin correct Nick when he said it, so it could very well be a possibility, but as I said IMO Shinya unfortunately is in his 11th hour
Ya I heard Nick Harris say that, but that geezer gets it wrong more times. Watching the Motogp weekend live online at first Nick makes it almost unbearable because he makes so many mistakes, but after a while with Gavin correcting him the whole time it becomes quite funny. Back to the point, I did'nt hear Gavin correct Nick when he said it, so it could very well be a possibility, but as I said IMO Shinya unfortunately is in his 11th hour
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I think Ant West did probably as much as he could on the Kawasaki. The bike obviously aint anywhere near up to speed.
He was never gone win a MotoGP title, but it don't look like Hopper ever will either. Though Ant might have got a WSBK ride somewhere, but perhaps a decent season in WSS will get him back inline for something more decent in 2010.
He was never gone win a MotoGP title, but it don't look like Hopper ever will either. Though Ant might have got a WSBK ride somewhere, but perhaps a decent season in WSS will get him back inline for something more decent in 2010.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Oct 9 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ya I heard Nick Harris say that, but that geezer gets it wrong more times. Watching the Motogp weekend live online at first Nick makes it almost unbearable because he makes so many mistakes, but after a while with Gavin correcting him the whole time it becomes quite funny. Back to the point, I did'nt hear Gavin correct Nick when he said it, so it could very well be a possibility, but as I said IMO Shinya unfortunately is in his 11th hour
Yeah I really get a kick out of those two. Shinya's a funny case, a lot of people wonder what would have happened had he gotten a good ride when he was riding so well for Kawasaki. I often wonder if the Kawasaki wasn't completely developed around him and thus, best suited for him. Perhaps even more so than an RC211V.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Oct 9 2008, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Ant West did probably as much as he could on the Kawasaki. The bike obviously aint anywhere near up to speed.
He was never gone win a MotoGP title, but it don't look like Hopper ever will either. Though Ant might have got a WSBK ride somewhere, but perhaps a decent season in WSS will get him back inline for something more decent in 2010.
That's my thought. A season aboard the top WSS squad would likely be better to showcase your talents than through a mid-pack at best WSBK team. Then move up to a solid WSBK ride in 2010 or 2011.
Yeah I really get a kick out of those two. Shinya's a funny case, a lot of people wonder what would have happened had he gotten a good ride when he was riding so well for Kawasaki. I often wonder if the Kawasaki wasn't completely developed around him and thus, best suited for him. Perhaps even more so than an RC211V.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Oct 9 2008, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Ant West did probably as much as he could on the Kawasaki. The bike obviously aint anywhere near up to speed.
He was never gone win a MotoGP title, but it don't look like Hopper ever will either. Though Ant might have got a WSBK ride somewhere, but perhaps a decent season in WSS will get him back inline for something more decent in 2010.
That's my thought. A season aboard the top WSS squad would likely be better to showcase your talents than through a mid-pack at best WSBK team. Then move up to a solid WSBK ride in 2010 or 2011.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 7 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your entitled to your opinion but I totally disagree with you, but then you talk more ........ about conspiracies and so on that I dont think you watch the sport for the same reasons as I do
Bootskah, read the entire thread. I rarely bring it up anymore.
Bootskah, read the entire thread. I rarely bring it up anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 9 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bootskah, read the entire thread. I rarely bring it up anymore.
Where is Curve with one of his giant "Whatever" jpg's.
Lexi, I love your conspiracy posts man, don't get me wrong, just giving you a hard time. Your sense of humor is hard to get sometimes, hyperbole mixed with sarcasm and a dash of the sardonic.
Where is Curve with one of his giant "Whatever" jpg's.
