Ambition Over Talent --- what was it??

OK SO the second meeting of the MotoGP season calendar is past us, and now all that we, and I'm sure a'lot of very Hungry people can do IS just wait almost an entire month for Portugal! But one thing is for sure- there is some speed in the Rossi+ducati combination BUT at what cost??

YES I know that it wasn't a dry race and perhaps the outcome would have been completely different if it were, but first of all in my book

if you can pull it off on the wet then you can do it in just about every situation and second-- you know what they say..... would have

could have should have.



NOW.... my question to you is: what exactly do you think was it that made Rossi be sooooo impatient that

he had to go for that move on Casey at that particular moment even though he was way too far to make

it stick in these condition????



do you think it has anything to do with wanting to show Casey- "hey" "Im right here and Im on a ducati going fast"

do you think it has anything to do with Simoncelli flying to the front



or perhaps he was just being himself ......

Neo said:

OK SO the second meeting of the MotoGP season calendar is past us, and now all that we, and I'm sure a'lot of very Hungry people can do IS just wait almost an entire month for Portugal! But one thing is for sure- there is some speed in the Rossi+ducati combination BUT at what cost??

YES I know that it wasn't a dry race and perhaps the outcome would have been completely different if it were, but first of all in my book

if you can pull it off on the wet then you can do it in just about every situation and second-- you know what they say..... would have

could have should have.



NOW.... my question to you is: what exactly do you think was it that made Rossi be sooooo impatient that

he had to go for that move on Casey at that particular moment even though he was way too far to make

it stick in these condition????



do you think it has anything to do with wanting to show Casey- "hey" "Im right here and Im on a ducati going fast"

do you think it has anything to do with Simoncelli flying to the front



or perhaps he was just being himself

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You just managed to condradict youself in one whole sentence. Here's a gold star for your FAIL.

SuperShinya56 said:

You just managed to condradict youself in one whole sentence. Here's a gold star for your FAIL.

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Neo said:

NOW.... my question to you is: what exactly do you think was it that made Rossi be sooooo impatient that

he had to go for that move on Casey at that particular moment even though he was way too far to make

it stick in these condition????

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Pressure for yrs rossi got under ppls skin he was a master at it and used it to his advantage

this time he's got Casey,Dani,Jorge under his skin

first of all thanx for the reply,



can you blame him? pressure is something that even Valentino can't allude, and the pressure here

is a mighty big one, after all he did create a "monster" now he has to stand up and present it yet again



(I really dont want to judge caus I hate doing so for something I haven't experience)but non the less-

doesn't he suppose to have enough years behind him to know when to hold your horses and when

to let em loose??

Cant you guys read English? He did not try and pass. He was too late on the brakes and tried to correct and go on the inside. Watch his line on the entry. And he probably would have continued has he been on the Yam.

Stoner saying these words to an Italian that does not master English and on top of that is wearing a helmet- demonstrats he just said it for the mics. Playing the media

Evolution said:

Stoner saying these words to an Italian that does not master English and on top of that is wearing a helmet- demonstrats he just said it for the mics. Playing the media

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That's what I thought to at first. I don't think Rossi would of even understand Stoner if he heard clearly. It's funny how Adrianna got out of the way when the first words came out of Stoner's mouth, I bet she's seen his temper all too often at home.

Evolution said:

Cant you guys read English? He did not try and pass. He was too late on the brakes and tried to correct and go on the inside. Watch his line on the entry. And he probably would have continued has he been on the Yam.

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rubbish it was a similar move to stuff he's done before and got through

he wanted the place and went for it check vid replays no way was it late on the brakes he went for the move



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If you look closely you see, that Stoner slided to much on the last corner...so Vale was catching him to fast, so that probably confused him a little bit. It was Vales mistake, he was 2 fast in...you can see he holds the brake still.

I just smile...that Ducati has realy good potencials Never lose a faith in him or that ducati.

I just cant imagine why would he do it on purpose... even if it was someone else, why? He had 1 sec better pace!...why? He was way faster than anyone in that race...the whole time if i remember correctly...

yep, considerably faster than all except for simoncelli. what would have happened to his tyres in the latter part of the race at that pace is negotiable (and irrelevant)

If Vales ambition out weighs his talent, than most certainly Caseys talent out weighs his ambition. Case and point '09.

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If Vales ambition out weighs his talent, than most certainly Caseys talent out weighs his ambition. Case and point '09.

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To be fair Casey was talking about the incident, not his career.

As for 09 I think now people are starting to realise the Ducati is no easy beast to master & the front end has issues.

McKneZ said:

I just cant imagine why would he do it on purpose... even if it was someone else, why? He had 1 sec better pace!...why? He was way faster than anyone in that race...the whole time if i remember correctly...

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There was no way he did it on purpose. But at the pace he was coming he should have been a little more patient.

In a few more corners he would have probably got past anyway. As it stands he probably cost himself & win & Stoner probably a podium.

But it's done & dusted now. Estoril awaits.

Rossi attempted to pass on purpose! He also attempted to pass agressively, on purpose. He ...... up. The question is self explanatory, and by definition: his ambition was to pass aggressively, his talent in both judging the situation and controling the bike surpassed said capacity. (Anybody not understanding this last sentence and following the logic is wrong). Stoner was not only witty in his statement to Rossi, but by ABSOLUTE definition, he was correct!



I'd like to add Evolution, as his name suggests, has changed his take. He first said Rossi tried to pass. On this thread he is now defering to Rossis claim that he did not attempt a pass. (But like Pish has correctly called ........, it was just Rossi's way of covering up his intention.) But either way, this point cannot be logiclly debated, regards if his "ambition" was to pass, or if his revisted "ambition" was to actually negotiate that turn (since nobody is going to argue he intended to crash) then ABSOLUTELY his talent surpassed his ambition!



Who here who understands the rules of logic would like to debate me on the merits of Stoner's assesment of the incident; when he stated to Rossi, "Ur ambition out weighed ur talent".?



It cannot be done. Unless Rossi's ambition was to crash. The crash occured, THEREFORE, his ambition (which ever u believe) did not come to fruition, which means, his talent to control the situation was less than his intent (ambition).

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Cant you guys read English? He did not try and pass. He was too late on the brakes and tried to correct and go on the inside. Watch his line on the entry. And he probably would have continued has he been on the Yam.

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If you swallow that BS then you were watching your first race and are forgiven. There is zero chance that Rossi had no intention of passing Stoner. Rossi was trying to ride beyond the capability of himself, the track and the bike. His poor judgement or arrogance or both destroyed the championship leader and odds on favourites race. There can be no doubt that this poor judgement preceded and caused the crash.

SuperShinya56 said:

That's what I thought to at first. I don't think Rossi would of even understand Stoner if he heard clearly. It's funny how Adrianna got out of the way when the first words came out of Stoner's mouth, I bet she's seen his temper all too often at home.

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I watched wjat Adriana did after someone said that ...... its ........, she stayed there, just turned away from Rossi and was talking to the other guy with her.



Do you guys get widescreen? maybe that why she is still there on our telecast.

Mental Anarchist said:

If you swallow that BS then you were watching your first race and are forgiven. There is zero chance that Rossi had no intention of passing Stoner. Rossi was trying to ride beyond the capability of himself, the track and the bike. His poor judgement or arrogance or both destroyed the championship leader and odds on favourites race. There can be no doubt that this poor judgement preceded and caused the crash.

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Poor judgment and riding beyond the limits causes pretty much every crash. Except when Rossi is involved and then its A REALLY BIG DEAL.

Done and Dusted as simple as that -- onwards to Portugal.



i'll take this chance to give a shout out to Nicky's 3rd place finish, I know it was involved with some 4 riders not finishing

the race in'front of him but hey... he was there and there about from lap 1





couple of very important issues to sort out at Estoril----> Stoner's very justified anger to be unleashed on track

Dani's condition and his ability to adapt to his situation after the shoulder surgery

can Rossi make the right assumptions from his mistakes and take it forward





we've got a championship on our hand all things being equaled

Rossi attempted to pass on purpose! He also attempted to pass agressively, on purpose. He ...... up. The question is self explanatory, and by definition: his ambition was to pass aggressively, his talent in both judging the situation and controling the bike surpassed said capacity. (Anybody not understanding this last sentence and following the logic is wrong). Stoner was not only witty in his statement to Rossi, but by ABSOLUTE definition, he was correct!



Couldn't have said it any better. He was diving down the inside the moment he hit the brakes, no doubt at all. His ego was riding that Ducati. I'll show Casey how a real rider handles the Ducati-NOT.