2010 Estorol "RACE" thread

[L8Braker]

Pig...Nicky hasn't been at the pointy end much in the jockey cycle era, but this year has shown that Nick is still quick when everything is right, but it has to be right. I think going back to 1000cc bikes, we might see Nicky stay at the pointy end a little more....time will tell.

 

[tikki50]

Nicky has proven he still competes on the gird and his standing would say that he has a right to be there. I will say he's almost at the cut off point though. If a crop of new riders come in and are worth a dam, Nicky should be worried. I'd perfer him to take the bin-or-win approch because he needs to win at least a podium. The big problem with MotoGP is the grid size its just too small. 7th is mid pack, yikes. They need a larger grid out there or at least move to two races at each track like wsbk. However with all that said Nicky's performance this weekend was dismal. Poor tire choice cost him big time.

 

[Tom]

Nicky has proven he still competes on the gird and his standing would say that he has a right to be there. I will say he's almost at the cut off point though. If a crop of new riders come in and are worth a dam, Nicky should be worried. I'd perfer him to take the bin-or-win approch because he needs to win at least a podium.

New riders have been coming in and outperforming Nicky often since 2006. I don't doubt he is good enough for motogp and i think he is still capable of top results, but he has been pretty much the weakest rider in a factory team for a while. I think like his fans Nicky will want to stay in this paddock until the rules change again in the hope that his inability to adapt his riding style is a significant factor in his results over the last few years. Also, i don't agree with you in wishing that he would adopt a win it or bin it style, his hard working and measured approach has got him where he is and it is his main strength. Abandoning that would be foolish

 

[Jumkie]

Great start to the race. It was interesting for the riders to search grip levels in a race (normally something done in practice).



Congrats to Lorenzo, is there any doubt? Good clean pass, good to see he didn't feel the need to repay any favors. What I like is that 'before' the race he set out on his space suit as throwing down the gauntlet (yes, lame by his rival's standards, cute when the other guy does it though, no double standards, eh.) Its like saying to his rival before the race, look, here is my victory celebration, can you do anything about it?



Rossi did well to stay in 2nd. It was the safe bet on a slipper track. But it was fairly cold, so maybe it was the shoulder...?



Dovi's podium is a combination of not giving up, superior acceleration from his machine, and the other rider not taking a defensive line. This has awarded Dovi at least two podiums that come to mind, maybe three. Good for him.



Nicky took a gamble on tires, and why not, with hard/med he probably would have come in 5th or slipped off, as the suspension on the bike is not very forgiving. Stoner showed us that it continues to be a problem.



12 bikes finishing...really now, what a shame.





Pigsh, you are officially outed. Like J4rno, I knew it was just a matter of time. One question, so...does Mundialito start next race?

 

[Jumkie]

New riders have been coming in and outperforming Nicky often since 2006. I don't doubt he is good enough for motogp and i think he is still capable of top results, but he has been pretty much the weakest rider in a factory team for a while.

Nicky has been the most successful non-Stoner Ducati 800s rider. That is, on a machine by well documented standards, has been enigmatic for most. To compare his post 06 results on a Repsol Honda is ignorant at best. At worst, well you know what I think. Ask yourself this question, why did Rossi opt to leave Yamaha? That should give you a clue what #2 status on any team can do for one's career and results; when a rider is willing to leave while being co #1 (that is to say, even being #1 sometimes isn't enough).

 

[Tom]

But it was fairly cold, so maybe it was the shoulder...?

Haven't you seen? Go on motogpmatters and look at Rossi's 'explanation' of the race. The difference was their setups, not their riding. Also, his shoulder hurt, also when Lorenzo passed him he gave up, etc, etc. It's odd that Rossi fans more than anyone are critical of riders moaning and making excuses. But i don't need to tell you about that, you know the score

One question, so...does Mundialito start next race?

I doubt it, Rossi doesn't usually go well there

Lorenzo only needs 3rd to take Rossi's points record away, i'd say thats reasonably likely.

 

[Tom]

Nicky has been the most successful non-Stoner Ducati rider. To compare his post 06 results on a Repsol Honda is ignorant at best. At worst, well you know what I think.

Indeed he has, and i think that is credit to his hard working attitude. This season is leaps and bounds better than last year, so i'm pretty keen to see what Nicky can offer next year. As for the Repsol Honda thing, i know what you are getting at, i am aware. I don't feel Nicky is as free from responsibility as you do for his results (as we would expect) but i think you and I will have to agree to disagree on that one for ever and ever.

 

[news1213]

Good clean pass, good to see he didn't feel the need to repay any favors.

Yeah, and few laps before that Rossi had a good, clean pass on Lorenzo as well..

Rossi did well to stay in 2nd. It was the safe bet on a slipper track. But it was fairly cold, so maybe it was the shoulder...?

Out fishing eh..?

 

[Jumkie]

Indeed he has, and i think that is credit to his hard working attitude. This season is leaps and bounds better than last year, so i'm pretty keen to see what Nicky can offer next year. As for the Repsol Honda thing, i know what you are getting at, i am aware. I don't feel Nicky is as free from responsibility as you do for his results (as we would expect) but i think you and I will have to agree to disagree on that one for ever and ever.

Fair enough.

Out fishing eh..?

What do you mean?









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[povol]

Nicky has proven he still competes on the gird and his standing would say that he has a right to be there. I will say he's almost at the cut off point though. If a crop of new riders come in and are worth a dam, Nicky should be worried. I'd perfer him to take the bin-or-win approch because he needs to win at least a podium. The big problem with MotoGP is the grid size its just too small. 7th is mid pack, yikes. They need a larger grid out there or at least move to two races at each track like wsbk. However with all that said Nicky's performance this weekend was dismal. Poor tire choice cost him big time.

I cant think of one rider in WSS, WSBK, or Moto2 that i would put in Nicky's seat. I know you said IF a crop of new riders comes along, but as of now and the immediate future, i dont see the next big thing. Maybe Superglue has GP talent, he was on his way to kicking the .... out of the Moto2 field yesterday until his clip-on started working lose. Of course with Gp going back to 1000's, he can dominate all he wants in Moto2 and never get a sniff at GP after how he performed in WSBK

 

[chopperman]

Lorenzo was heating up his tires before he smoked the field, nothing more, nothing less

yeah ok berry pov , so what was HGaystack doing ?

Pedrosa got more fight in him than that fairy but you never like to talk about that do you fanboy !

 

[Jumkie]

Maybe Superglue has GP talent,

Very doubt it, he couldn't do .... with a big boy superbike so he went back down to the "little" bikes.





On another note, did anybody hear the exchange from the painful slow mystery person who comes up with ........ questions during post race interview? He asked Lorenzo why his crew seems to get faster and better settings than Rossi. It seemed that Lorenzo kinda took issue with the insinuation and said, "yes, our bike is always better." But I sensed a bit of sarcasm. Also, Lorenzo stared the dude down. (Its the same moron that asked him about the "Mundialito"). What is this dude doing in the press conference room, and does anybody know this dude's name? Who does he work for? Why does he asked very loaded questions with the gracefulness of a 1 part piss & 1 part .... & mixture of .... stacked 3 feet?

 

[Tom]

I cant think of one rider in WSS, WSBK, or Moto2 that i would put in Nicky's seat. I know you said IF a crop of new riders comes along, but as of now and the immediate future, i dont see the next big thing.

Well I think it'll take another year or two before moto2 settles down and it can start producing motogp superstars. There doesn't look to be anyone particularly special or fast rising in the superbike paddock either. But with so many 250cc front runners and Spies moving up for this year, i would expect the next big thing to develop from within the current motogp satellite teams.

 

[povol]

Very doubt it, he couldn't do .... with a big boy superbike so he went back down to the "little" bikes.





On another note, did anybody hear the exchange from the painful slow mystery person who comes up with ........ questions during post race interview? He asked Lorenzo why his crew seems to get faster and better settings than Rossi. It seemed that Lorenzo kinda took issue with the insinuation and said, "yes, our bike is always better." But I sensed a bit of sarcasm. Also, Lorenzo stared the dude down. (Its the same moron that asked him about the "Mundialito"). What is this dude doing in the press conference room, and does anybody know this dude's name? Who does he work for? Why does he asked very loaded questions with the gracefulness of a 1 part piss & 1 part .... & mixture of .... stacked 3 feet?

Of course with Gp going back to 1000's, he can dominate all he wants in Moto2 and never get a sniff at GP after how he performed in WSBK

 

[Jumkie]

yeah ok berry pov , so what was HGaystack doing ?

Pedrosa got more fight in him than that fairy but you never like to talk about that do you fanboy !

Haystack took a gamble on tires. Its not like 3rd-5th place was all that close to the winner, what was it 30+sec or something (without having to look it up). He chose soft tires and was able to stay with the leaders for a bit until his tires faded (what you mistake for "fight"). I'm not sure how you can describe overtaking 3 riders to get to the leader (knowing you have the softer compound), then losing the spot while attempting to regain the position characterized as lacking fight.

All you need to know about the confidence the Ducati riders have on their suspension with harder tires is look to Casey's result. I'll tell you what lacking fight is, check out the "fight" for the lead mid race again.

 

[Jumkie]

Well I think it'll take another year or two before moto2 settles down and it can start producing motogp superstars. There doesn't look to be anyone particularly special or fast rising in the superbike paddock either. But with so many 250cc front runners and Spies moving up for this year, i would expect the next big thing to develop from within the current motogp satellite teams.

Again, I think you may be missing a fundamental truth about MotoGP. That is, the quality of the ride. Which do you consider to be the better package, a satellite Yamaha...or a Satellite Ducati, Honda, and even factory Suzuki? I consider the recent 250 crop pretty good riders, but you wouldn't know it from their results. Why?

 

[chopperman]

Haystack took a gamble on tires. Its not like 3rd-5th place was all that close to the winner, what was it 30+sec or something (without having to look it up). He chose soft tires and was able to stay with the leaders for a bit until his tires faded (what you mistake for "fight"). I'm not sure how you can describe overtaking 3 riders to get to the leader (knowing you have the softer compound), then losing the spot while attempting to regain the position characterized as lacking fight.

All you need to know about the confidence the Ducati riders have on their suspension with harder tires is look to Casey's result. I'll tell you what lacking fight is, check out the "fight" for the lead mid race again.

Sounds like a load of excuses to me mate.Blind Hatred is a 2 way street so reel ya mutt in or ill start playing again !

 

[povol]

yeah ok berry pov , so what was HGaystack doing ?

Pedrosa got more fight in him than that fairy but you never like to talk about that do you fanboy !

Even though he is not an alien, he is one of the top 10 riders in the world and deserves to be in MotoGP as much as any of the other non aliens



Pedrosa is an alien, far and above Nicky in GP stature, not sure what that has to do with Lorenzo crushing Rossi, but im guessing it was just a deflection from the fact that Lorenzo kicked Rossi's ... AGAIN!

 

[babelfish]

Nicky has been the most successful non-Stoner Ducati 800s rider. That is, on a machine by well documented standards, has been enigmatic for most. To compare his post 06 results on a Repsol Honda is ignorant at best. At worst, well you know what I think. Ask yourself this question, why did Rossi opt to leave Yamaha? That should give you a clue what #2 status on any team can do for one's career and results; when a rider is willing to leave while being co #1 (that is to say, even being #1 sometimes isn't enough).

I thought everyone moved from 990 to 800 not only Hayden?

Not to mention how totally desperate Rossi must be when going to that nightmare of bike. Only the fantastic talent of Stoner and Hayden prevent prevent lapping every second lap, right?

 

[Jumkie]

Sounds like a load of excuses to me mate.Blind Hatred is a 2 way street so reel ya mutt in or ill start playing again !

Knowing what little I know about the Sasquatch specie, I'd say they are closer to a pure bread in the sense that its probably a genetic mutation, a one of a kind.

BTW, I think that space suit Lorenzo wore was helpful in bringing his rival down to Earth.