2010 Estorol "RACE" thread

[chopperman]

Stoner with some 20 seconds?

On the same bike too ! but pov is trying to compare Haydens factory duc to the customer bikes

The other fact he conveniently forgets is the others have rookie riders. well maybe not rookies in the strictest sence as Espargaró did 4 races last yeah and mika has shown up but thats about it

 

[rossiofsky]

What about the Etiquette issues with the passing for the final podium spot????

Thank god it happened, kept me awake!



Surely this needs some more discussion............

That's what i said, but The mr dubble standard doesn't care at all, even to that move by Edwards.



i wish we had more of those "Race Etiquette" moves in every race.

 

[chopperman]

That's what i said, but The mr dubble standard doesn't care at all, even to that move by Edwards.



i wish we had more of those "Race Etiquette" moves in every race.

dont be to hard on the haydenettes mate, imagine how they feel after every race. disappointed and angry. This is why they come here and vent at us. The only people who expect rossi to win every time is the haters. if he does they can call him dirty or a cheat. if he loses they can say he's past it or whatever. It's just their way of hiding all the disappointment they felt watching their boy fail yet again. Note how few haydenettes actually talk about hayden, instead they prefer to .... talk rossi, it's just a smoke screen.

 

[rossiofsky]

And if Rossi does better than Hayden they will play the #2 rider card while ignoring the fact Nicky has a whole yeah extra on the bike

.... i cant wait for next years battles on the track and next years battles on powerslide

He already found out one of the reasons which later comes to play, he said Duc will give better parts to Rossi and wont let him suck.

Peagon gave an opinion about Hayden(which i myself dont support that opinion strongly), Jumkie officially outed him and said: I knew it was just a matter of time.

I thought only "Rossi fans" acted too protective for their god, and only Rossi fans became mad at everyone who criticised their god.

 

[povol]

No i don't get it. why don't you just say what your point is ? and as for you now proclaiming to rate spies over hayden just shows you're a bandwagon jumper and hypocrite. You once called rossi fans people who only support a winner. I then pointed out that he had not won the wc for 2 years. Remember??

Because i rate Spies ahead of Hayden means im a band wagon jumper and a hypocrite? I also rate Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo ahead of Hayden. Does that make me even a bigger hypocrite. Im not a blind loyalist like you Rog, i can differentiate between being a fan of a certain rider, and accepting that someone else is better. Thats something you cant grasp. Now let me get a crayon and draw it out for you. Nicky is my favorite rider, but i rate Spies as a stronger rider. In your case, Rossi is your favorite rider, but you cant accept that Lorenzo is better.

 

[povol]

Stoner with some 20 seconds?

Let me get my crayon out for you also.



They means 2 or more, how many Ducati' s finished ahead of Hayden at PI. I will help you since your struggling. The answer is 1

 

[rossiofsky]

Anyone seen Pinky/S?

 

[rossiofsky]

Let me get my crayon out for you also.



They means 2 or more, how many Ducati' s finished ahead of Hayden at PI. I will help you since your struggling. The answer is 1

So still one duc finished in front of him, and those other's hadn't a factory bike. if Nikky was going to lose to those other duc's, then i also would hope for him to stop. Nikky is been almost 2 years on that bike, he has done a better job this year, but imo he hasn't done what he should.

 

[rossiofsky]

On the same bike too ! but pov is trying to compare Haydens factory duc to the customer bikes

The other fact he conveniently forgets is the others have rookie riders. well maybe not rookies in the strictest sence as Espargaró did 4 races last yeah and mika has shown up but thats about it

I thought the same.

and indeed even Kalio is in his 2nd year, he isn't that good anyway.

 

[rossiofsky]

dont be to hard on the haydenettes mate, imagine how they feel after every race. disappointed and angry. This is why they come here and vent at us. The only people who expect rossi to win every time is the haters. if he does they can call him dirty or a cheat. if he loses they can say he's past it or whatever. It's just their way of hiding all the disappointment they felt watching their boy fail yet again. Note how few haydenettes actually talk about hayden, instead they prefer to .... talk rossi, it's just a smoke screen.

well said,



but to be fair to most Hayden fans, there are only a few of Hayden fans who keep criticising and hating Rossi on the daily basis, the rest of the fans criticise him from time to time but never with this consistentcy.



and those few who do it daily, that's a way of meditation and therapy for them i guess

I really dont know why they dont talk about Hayden instead, even in that last race where he had a Nice battle with Rossi. I myself found him impressive in that race.

 

[rossiofsky]

Roger did you hear what Charlie Cox said, when he was asked by your love(Jenny) about his thoughts on the championship and Rossi and Lorenzo??

He said something like "Rossi didn't lose it, Lorenzo won it".

 

[povol]

Its interesting how you alway spin and change your takes to suit your point when the last thing you said didn't fit the Rossi is God mold. I can't think of any other person that does this more than you, that is to say Rossi's total career outshines anybody and everybody's accomplishments, so present accomplishments are .... compared to Him. I'm surprised you didn't start with "9 time world champ...etc." By your standards then, can we drop the GOAT moniker, because that belongs to Ago, right.



I distinctly remember you guys poo pooing on Lorenzo because he was winning on Rossi's bike. So its no longer Rossi's bike, but community bike?

You just can't stand that your boy got beat on a machine designed around himself. No worries, he can't stand it either, so he moved brands, because he knows they will move heaven and earth around him only. Something that Yamaha was not willing to do.

Amazing isnt it

I have one question for the 'they built a community bike to win races crowd" How many riders, besides Rossi, won a race on the Community Factory M1, until Lorenzo showed up. You would think in 4 years, someone, anyone would have won at least 1 race on a bike that was built to just win races

 

[geewhiz14]

Ok, ok, enough, why are we pitting these guys against eachother. Can't we get back to the good old days where we all agreed shitting on Pedrosa was the funnest thing to do?

How about No.

 

[dwoodhouse]

Because i rate Spies ahead of Hayden means im a band wagon jumper and a hypocrite? I also rate Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo ahead of Hayden. Does that make me even a bigger hypocrite. Im not a blind loyalist like you Rog, i can differentiate between being a fan of a certain rider, and accepting that someone else is better. Thats something you cant grasp. Now let me get a crayon and draw it out for you. Nicky is my favorite rider, but i rate Spies as a stronger rider. In your case, Rossi is your favorite rider, but you cant accept that Lorenzo is better.

Tell me why you are so certain that Lorenzo is better to use your words. Lorenzo won this year, he was better this year. Next year we don't know what will happen. You're assuming that Rossi has no chance. The last two years Rossi "was better" than Lorenzo - why is it that you think these are irrelevant to the comparison of the two riders? Why only take 2010 into consideration when concluding that Lorenzo is better?



Next question - does the same logic apply to Stoner v Rossi? Stoner beat Rossi in 2007 so therefore he must be better according to your logic.



What do I think? I think we are yet to see who is better. At the moment it is 2:1 Rossi with an advantage with Lorenzo favourite for the fourth round. I would prefer to wait until the fight's over before declaring a winner.

 

[BarryMachine]

How about No.

I wouldn't worry about a bunch of sad sacks thinking they are "shitting on Pedro"

fact is the guy is a class act, and even now he's still running 2nd in the WC and is doing so with a whopping great piece of titanium screwed into his shoulder.

Even now I still wonder if, because of all the kiddycrap that goes on about Pedro, he could quite easily clean up next year.

ie. Stoner is on a new bike

Rossi is on a new .......... thing.

Lorenzo will be fighting that "big head syndrome" that stuffs repeat WC wins.



I could easily believe it if Pedro starts winning, well and putting together a few for a winning season at last.

 

[rossiofsky]

Tell me why you are so certain that Lorenzo is better to use your words. Lorenzo won this year, he was better this year. Next year we don't know what will happen. You're assuming that Rossi has no chance. The last two years Rossi "was better" than Lorenzo - why is it that you think these are irrelevant to the comparison of the two riders? Why only take 2010 into consideration when concluding that Lorenzo is better?



Next question - does the same logic apply to Stoner v Rossi? Stoner beat Rossi in 2007 so therefore he must be better according to your logic.



What do I think? I think we are yet to see who is better. At the moment it is 2:1 Rossi with an advantage with Lorenzo favourite for the fourth round. I would prefer to wait until the fight's over before declaring a winner.

That's a fair opinion, even Lorenzo looks very ready for a few years domination, but he is still 2:1 down in the Most real thing, we can't ignore Rossi just yet, especially after we saw his 2008 comeback.

Ignore Rossi at your Peril !!!

 

[spooky]

So many haters on this forum.....



The top 4 riders are pretty much on a level playing field in terms of ability, i think Stoner is the probably the fastest over 1 lap, but seems to tread on the wrong side of that fine line a little too often. If Pedrosa stays injury free he'll be a force to be reckoned with....he's a little fragile though. Lorenzo is the man of the moment and definately the strongest and most consistent, can he repeat next year? Rossi with a point to prove is a seriously dangerous prospect, those who right him off (Povol) really dont have a clue!



Hopefully the 4 becomes 5 with Spies and we have an entertaining, injury free 2011!!

 

[Tom]

Tell me why you are so certain that Lorenzo is better to use your words. Lorenzo won this year, he was better this year. Next year we don't know what will happen. You're assuming that Rossi has no chance. The last two years Rossi "was better" than Lorenzo - why is it that you think these are irrelevant to the comparison of the two riders? Why only take 2010 into consideration when concluding that Lorenzo is better?



Next question - does the same logic apply to Stoner v Rossi? Stoner beat Rossi in 2007 so therefore he must be better according to your logic.

Is english your first language? If someone says that Lorenzo is currently better than Rossi they are speaking in the present tense. This does not mean they have forgotton about Rossi's previous achievements, it just means they are talking about the current state of play. Similarly, Stoner was better than Rossi in 2007 (note past tense).

 

[chopperman]

Because i rate Spies ahead of Hayden means im a band wagon jumper and a hypocrite? I also rate Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo ahead of Hayden. Does that make me even a bigger hypocrite. Im not a blind loyalist like you Rog, i can differentiate between being a fan of a certain rider, and accepting that someone else is better. Thats something you cant grasp. Now let me get a crayon and draw it out for you. Nicky is my favorite rider, but i rate Spies as a stronger rider. In your case, Rossi is your favorite rider, but you cant accept that Lorenzo is better.

Really? maybe you should learn to read pov, then you may get your facts straight and stop making a berry out of yourself.

 

[chopperman]

Let me get my crayon out for you also.



They means 2 or more, how many Ducati' s finished ahead of Hayden at PI. I will help you since your struggling. The answer is 1

How many of those Ducatis were factory bike'slike haydens? ill answer for you. ONE !