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if its not between vale and casey id say then it will be between vale pedro and dovi.
lorenzo will be there to i hope he suprises us, what i really want to see is loris in the mix i think the guy still has some tricks up his sleeve but it depends how the suzooki turn out at race time
lorenzo will be there to i hope he suprises us, what i really want to see is loris in the mix i think the guy still has some tricks up his sleeve but it depends how the suzooki turn out at race time
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill @ Feb 21 2009, 06:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My guess:-
1) Vale
2) Casey
3) Jorge
4) Dovi
5) Dani
6) Loris
7) Nicky
8) JT
9) Vermi
...hope Casey is hand bagging over his wrist...could be a damn boring season if here ain't there to bring the fight outta VR!
nice top 9, but you forgot edwards, he'll be up there.. i say top 5 for sure
1) Vale
2) Casey
3) Jorge
4) Dovi
5) Dani
6) Loris
7) Nicky
8) JT
9) Vermi
...hope Casey is hand bagging over his wrist...could be a damn boring season if here ain't there to bring the fight outta VR!
nice top 9, but you forgot edwards, he'll be up there.. i say top 5 for sure
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Rossi
Stoner
Hayden
pedrosa
dovi
Crazy but possible
Rossi
Stoner
Hayden
pedrosa
dovi
Crazy but possible
2009 WC: Stoner. Why? 1) Another year of learning by way of getting schooled in race craft by the great Rossi in 2008 means he is more experienced in 2009. 2) Faster than everybody. 3) The new rules play into his hands a) reduced practice times as he is fastest from lap 2 of first practice and Rossi often only gets the set up right in morning warm up.
no launch control - Stoner doesn't need it nor does he use it. c) No qualifying tyres - expect to see another BMW in the Stoner garage at seasons end as well as a record number of pole positions that will take 10 years for someone to beat!
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
Will come down to these guys, provided no major injuries or crash outs. It will be a much closer season. Much like 2006.
Valentino ROSSI
Casey STONER
Any of these people could clinch 3rd (or 2nd if there are catastrophes)
Dani PEDROSA
Jorge LORENZO
Nicky HAYDEN
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
Any of these guys could be 5th to 10th
Colin EDWARDS
Toni ELIAS
Loris CAPIROSSI
Chris VERMEULEN
Rounding out things
James TOSELAND
Marco MELANDRI
Kallio with either podium at GBR or GER
Sete will podium at Valencia
No unlisted riders will finish before 6th this season.
Valentino ROSSI
Casey STONER
Any of these people could clinch 3rd (or 2nd if there are catastrophes)
Dani PEDROSA
Jorge LORENZO
Nicky HAYDEN
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
Any of these guys could be 5th to 10th
Colin EDWARDS
Toni ELIAS
Loris CAPIROSSI
Chris VERMEULEN
Rounding out things
James TOSELAND
Marco MELANDRI
Kallio with either podium at GBR or GER
Sete will podium at Valencia
No unlisted riders will finish before 6th this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 22 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2009 WC: Stoner. Why? 1) Another year of learning by way of getting schooled in race craft by the great Rossi in 2008 means he is more experienced in 2009. 2) Faster than everybody. 3) The new rules play into his hands a) reduced practice times as he is fastest from lap 2 of first practice and Rossi often only gets the set up right in morning warm up.
no launch control - Stoner doesn't need it nor does he use it. c) No qualifying tyres - expect to see another BMW in the Stoner garage at seasons end as well as a record number of pole positions that will take 10 years for someone to beat!
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
You have broken it now. I wanted no-one to pick stoner like 2007.
I think rossi will set things up quicker this year after a year on bridgestones.
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
You have broken it now. I wanted no-one to pick stoner like 2007.
I think rossi will set things up quicker this year after a year on bridgestones.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 22 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2009 WC: Stoner. Why? 1) Another year of learning by way of getting schooled in race craft by the great Rossi in 2008 means he is more experienced in 2009. 2) Faster than everybody. 3) The new rules play into his hands a) reduced practice times as he is fastest from lap 2 of first practice and Rossi often only gets the set up right in morning warm up.
no launch control - Stoner doesn't need it nor does he use it. c) No qualifying tyres - expect to see another BMW in the Stoner garage at seasons end as well as a record number of pole positions that will take 10 years for someone to beat!
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
I agree.I doubt that he will crash from the lead twice and have enginefaliure.Also,the Yamaha and Ducati factory teams will not have such big problems as 2008 i think.Refering to tire vers.chassi.It seems Rossi/Burgess needed about 4 races to ajust to B.stone.As Ducati some kind of problem lasting till Catalunya it hopefully is going to be much more equal this year between Stoner and Rossi.
I also think Lorenzo is going to find some balance between circus acrobat and too careful,so he will beat Pedrosa and Dovisioso.I also hope Suzuki keep developing,so Capirossi can have a decent last season.He's going to bet it all on this year i think.
Stoner
Rossi
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Capirossi
Dovisioso
Hayden
Kallio
Vermulen
Edwards
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
I agree.I doubt that he will crash from the lead twice and have enginefaliure.Also,the Yamaha and Ducati factory teams will not have such big problems as 2008 i think.Refering to tire vers.chassi.It seems Rossi/Burgess needed about 4 races to ajust to B.stone.As Ducati some kind of problem lasting till Catalunya it hopefully is going to be much more equal this year between Stoner and Rossi.
I also think Lorenzo is going to find some balance between circus acrobat and too careful,so he will beat Pedrosa and Dovisioso.I also hope Suzuki keep developing,so Capirossi can have a decent last season.He's going to bet it all on this year i think.
Stoner
Rossi
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Capirossi
Dovisioso
Hayden
Kallio
Vermulen
Edwards
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Feb 22 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree.I doubt that he will crash from the lead twice and have enginefaliure.Also,the Yamaha and Ducati factory teams will not have such big problems as 2008 i think.Refering to tire vers.chassi.It seems Rossi/Burgess needed about 4 races to ajust to B.stone.As Ducati some kind of problem lasting till Catalunya it hopefully is going to be much more equal this year between Stoner and Rossi.
I think that between rossi and stoner if not between them and the rest of the field the quality of the respective machinery will have a large say. If the new ducati is more agile and the new yamaha more powerful rossi and stoner may actually be able to race in the same sections of the track. I believe the character of the 2 bikes in 2007 and 2008 has been so different that it has only been in races like catalunya 2007 where the advantages of the bikes more or less exactly balanced out over the course of a lap that a close race has ensued; laguna seca 2008 was probably more due to a combination of the riding brilliance of rossi and the nature of that track although at this race too rossi and stoner were fastest in totally different parts of the track.
It was said by some at the time that the post qatar 2008 problems for casey were due to development of the bike at his insistence in a direction which would allow him to dog-fight with valentino, although it now seems more likely there was some fundamental problem with the initial 2008 ducati engine. I believe the pressure of the points situation due to the early season bike problems (and the laguna seca race result ) was at least as contributory as fear of being cut up by rossi to stoner putting the bike down post-laguna; stoner himself apparently claims the front tyre just let go, but I guess he would say that
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I think that between rossi and stoner if not between them and the rest of the field the quality of the respective machinery will have a large say. If the new ducati is more agile and the new yamaha more powerful rossi and stoner may actually be able to race in the same sections of the track. I believe the character of the 2 bikes in 2007 and 2008 has been so different that it has only been in races like catalunya 2007 where the advantages of the bikes more or less exactly balanced out over the course of a lap that a close race has ensued; laguna seca 2008 was probably more due to a combination of the riding brilliance of rossi and the nature of that track although at this race too rossi and stoner were fastest in totally different parts of the track.
It was said by some at the time that the post qatar 2008 problems for casey were due to development of the bike at his insistence in a direction which would allow him to dog-fight with valentino, although it now seems more likely there was some fundamental problem with the initial 2008 ducati engine. I believe the pressure of the points situation due to the early season bike problems (and the laguna seca race result ) was at least as contributory as fear of being cut up by rossi to stoner putting the bike down post-laguna; stoner himself apparently claims the front tyre just let go, but I guess he would say that
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 22 2009, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2009 WC: Stoner. Why? 1) Another year of learning by way of getting schooled in race craft by the great Rossi in 2008 means he is more experienced in 2009. 2) Faster than everybody. 3) The new rules play into his hands a) reduced practice times as he is fastest from lap 2 of first practice and Rossi often only gets the set up right in morning warm up.
no launch control - Stoner doesn't need it nor does he use it. c) No qualifying tyres - expect to see another BMW in the Stoner garage at seasons end as well as a record number of pole positions that will take 10 years for someone to beat!
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
Agreed.
Stoner
Rossi
Jprge
Pedrosa
Dovi
Hayden
Loris
CV
2009 Runner Up: Rossi. Why? Because the only one capable of beating the greatest motorcycle racer of all time is Stoner. The others are fighting for third!
Agreed.
Stoner
Rossi
Jprge
Pedrosa
Dovi
Hayden
Loris
CV
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Feb 22 2009, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed.
Stoner
Rossi
Jprge
Pedrosa
Dovi
Hayden
Loris
CV
pretty much agree .... but I think anyone there has the ability to shock and jump to the front .... except maybe CV and Loris ..... just not real sure they'd get that close to the front end ...... but of all the others I would be prepared if any of those was the leader at the end of 09.
Stoner
Rossi
Jprge
Pedrosa
Dovi
Hayden
Loris
CV
pretty much agree .... but I think anyone there has the ability to shock and jump to the front .... except maybe CV and Loris ..... just not real sure they'd get that close to the front end ...... but of all the others I would be prepared if any of those was the leader at the end of 09.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 22 2009, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that between rossi and stoner if not between them and the rest of the field the quality of the respective machinery will have a large say. If the new ducati is more agile and the new yamaha more powerful rossi and stoner may actually be able to race in the same sections of the track. I believe the character of the 2 bikes in 2007 and 2008 has been so different that it has only been in races like catalunya 2007 where the advantages of the bikes more or less exactly balanced out over the course of a lap that a close race has ensued; laguna seca 2008 was probably more due to a combination of the riding brilliance of rossi and the nature of that track although at this race too rossi and stoner were fastest in totally different parts of the track.
It was said by some at the time that the post qatar 2008 problems for casey were due to development of the bike at his insistence in a direction which would allow him to dog-fight with valentino, although it now seems more likely there was some fundamental problem with the initial 2008 ducati engine. I believe the pressure of the points situation due to the early season bike problems (and the laguna seca race result ) was at least as contributory as fear of being cut up by rossi to stoner putting the bike down post-laguna; stoner himself apparently claims the front tyre just let go, but I guess he would say that
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Yes,i don't think Stoner is going to have to worry as much in the first half of the season like he did last year.Except if the wrist doesn't get better.
Also,the Laguna seca weekend.I don't think Rossi passing him and keeping him second was the only bad news that weekend.Rossi actually lowered his laptimes quite significantly compared to the practices.So it wasn't only racecraft it was teameffort too,and that doesn't make things easier for Stoner.
I get the feeling that Ducati is going to cope with the 5 engine rule quite well.I'm guessing they'll get help from that shell advance partnership,and maybe get an edge.And they haven't raised the rev limit since the first prototype like just about all the others,as far as i know.Maybe just a little bit but not much.I know you can blow parts in the engine from other things than raise rev limit, but somehow i think they were ahead of the others from the beginning of the 800s as far as reducing friction.Set the bar higher than the others,so to speak.
In short,i hope the bikes are more equal from the start this season,and maybe Rossi and Stoner will be more equal in the same parts of the track like you say.
It was said by some at the time that the post qatar 2008 problems for casey were due to development of the bike at his insistence in a direction which would allow him to dog-fight with valentino, although it now seems more likely there was some fundamental problem with the initial 2008 ducati engine. I believe the pressure of the points situation due to the early season bike problems (and the laguna seca race result ) was at least as contributory as fear of being cut up by rossi to stoner putting the bike down post-laguna; stoner himself apparently claims the front tyre just let go, but I guess he would say that
Yes,i don't think Stoner is going to have to worry as much in the first half of the season like he did last year.Except if the wrist doesn't get better.
Also,the Laguna seca weekend.I don't think Rossi passing him and keeping him second was the only bad news that weekend.Rossi actually lowered his laptimes quite significantly compared to the practices.So it wasn't only racecraft it was teameffort too,and that doesn't make things easier for Stoner.
I get the feeling that Ducati is going to cope with the 5 engine rule quite well.I'm guessing they'll get help from that shell advance partnership,and maybe get an edge.And they haven't raised the rev limit since the first prototype like just about all the others,as far as i know.Maybe just a little bit but not much.I know you can blow parts in the engine from other things than raise rev limit, but somehow i think they were ahead of the others from the beginning of the 800s as far as reducing friction.Set the bar higher than the others,so to speak.
In short,i hope the bikes are more equal from the start this season,and maybe Rossi and Stoner will be more equal in the same parts of the track like you say.
