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They haven't been around for that long! 😃

I can see a possible future where you have BaaS with original parts or a cheaper brand. Same as with parts for cars.
Trump announced during his speach today that previous electric vehicle mandates are now dead, the focus is back to internal combustion, he said they are going to "drill baby drill" for fossil fuels to power their economy !

That works for me.
 
They haven't been around for that long! 😃

I can see a possible future where you have BaaS with original parts or a cheaper brand. Same as with parts for cars.
There are other brands with swappable batteries. It was Nio that I was thinking of.

I too can see a future with after-market batteries. But, I see no sign of it happening yet. After-market, that is.

Trump announced during his speach today that previous electric vehicle mandates are now dead, the focus is back to internal combustion, he said they are going to "drill baby drill" for fossil fuels to power their economy !

That works for me.

Personally I don't want to leave a planet even more damaged than it is now to future generations.
 
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Also depends on whether the global warming threat is real and whether anything can be done about it, with things like the Ukraine war rather thwarting any efforts.

Like all models the models of the climate scientists could be wrong, but putting all the carbon which has been sequestered for the last several hundred million years back into the environment over a period of 200 years is imo a gigantic experiment with at best unknown consequences. I tend to doubt all the climate scientists in the world are part of a conspiracy motivated by keeping their research grants as some in the Murdoch press have posited in Australia, particularly since opponents cited by them to the global warming thing tend to be geologists who are on the board of mining companies.
Thats the problem isn't it? It's hard to know who or who to believe now?

What I will say, is cars have, and always will be the easy target. While there is CPE (Combustion performance efficiency) work continually being done on commercial ICE engines. Rarely is anything said of the effect of commercial shipping for example, let alone aviation.
We don’t have a backup planet so why would one risk this one?
Capitalists don't care one iota about that. All they care about is swelling their personal wealth so they can enjoy the finest things in life.
I was also going to post this. EV car batteries are lasting longer than 10 years. Tesla say that they expect their batteries to last about 1500 charge cycles, or about 300-500,000 miles. As @Sennas_Caress says, there are plenty of Telsa cars over 10 years old for sale. I had a look around and there are plenty of estimates of how long an EV battery will last, with 10-20 years covering most of them. It's said that modern EV batteries have better technology than earlier batteries, and that they should last longer.
As others have said, battery technology is improving daily. BUT, the public perception of them is not improving at the same rate. That is one of the biggest hurdles. If you listen to the masses, especially here in America. The perception is that EV's are being forced upon them. They will never be successful unless that perception changes on a large scale.
You're correct in that none of the vehicle manufacturers are pushing people towards subcompact cars. In Ford's case, they don't even offer passenger cars, which are more fuel efficient, generally, than vehicles classified as light-duty trucks. However, the old body-on-frame behemoths that were free-money for the Big 3 have also effectively been outlawed.

The issue is the footprint regulations that were forced through by the NHTSA about 15 years ago. NHTSA seems to think that midsize vehicles (or at least midsize wheelbase) is the safest and most space efficient. No one can figure out why it's okay to drive a 23mpg fullsize pickup, but not a 23mpg Dodge Charger. NHTSA has never explained it. Since footprint regulations were enacted, we've seen no improvement in fatalities per 100,000 nor fatalities per VMT. Since the 60s, these stats were coming down about 25% per decade.
As with everything. Just follow the money, that is the reasoning behind most decisions.
Anyway, the point of mentioning the geopolitical and regulatory bedlam is that Austria will need to make a decision about KTM with this framework. Are high-end electric bicycles really viable for helping reduce oil-burning by European citizens? How well positioned is KTM? How much foreign malign influence (if any) does CFMOTO and Bajaj exert? How exposed are German and Austrian financial institutions? Will the OECD pivot from their current energy strategies?
The issue with EB's, is they require considerable R&D financial investment, which we know KTM does not have. So I think they have to, at least for the time being, continue as ICE or not at all.
I'm getting the impression that 2024 really caught them out, perhaps they weren't following world economic predictions. Lifestyle motorcycles are something you don't need to buy when the mortgage has gone up with the upping of interest rates
Yep, it's been the general understanding that they seemed to base their business model on the short term post COVID boom. Even without the cost of living increases, it seems that sportsbikes were on the way out anyway, which was once a huge market segment.
Personally I don't want to leave a planet even more damaged than it is now to future generations.
Agreed, but individually there is little we could do about it. I used to work at the largest Ford engine manufacturing facility in the world. Their electric bill was a million pounds a WEEK.

I remember walking around once thinking "If I lived basically off the grid, in a cave, and used absolutely as little resources as I could for the rest of my life, it absolutely would not make a dent compared to the effect of this one facility"

"But if we all did it". Yes, but often in life I have found myself standing in the trenches to make a stand, with no one else around me. People in general are too consumed with their own issues and daily lives & struggles to care.
 
Thats the problem isn't it? It's hard to know who or who to believe now?

Personally I would say that science is streets ahead of other methods of knowing what is true and what is not. How does the track record of science compare to, say, politicians, what is said by large companies, people ranting on YouTube, and the 'man down the pub'? Hence, I don't think I find it hard to know who or what to beleive.

What I will say, is cars have, and always will be the easy target. While there is CPE (Combustion performance efficiency) work continually being done on commercial ICE engines. Rarely is anything said of the effect of commercial shipping for example, let alone aviation.

But, if you look up the actual facts, plenty is said about commercial shipping. Both commercial shipping and aviation produce about 11% (roughly) of the emissions due to transport. Which are about 25% of global CO2 emissions. So, very roughly about 2.5% each. Shipping doesn't occur to many people, and that's an example of why it's better to look up reliable sources. Because they won't make such omissions.

However, for aviation, certainly everyone's talking about emissions from aviation all the time. So, I disagree with you on that one. Newspaper comments section (about the quality of discussions with random people down the pub, I believe) are always going on about aviation.

Capitalists don't care one iota about that. All they care about is swelling their personal wealth so they can enjoy the finest things in life.

As others have said, battery technology is improving daily. BUT, the public perception of them is not improving at the same rate. That is one of the biggest hurdles. If you listen to the masses, especially here in America. The perception is that EV's are being forced upon them. They will never be successful unless that perception changes on a large scale

There is a difference between perception and truth. Here I'm talking about truth. Personally I think it's, on average, mostly older people who feel that EVs are being forced on them. And, the younger generations that will replace them are far more open. As happens in many situations.

As with everything. Just follow the money, that is the reasoning behind most decisi

Or follow the science. It works much better.

The issue with EB's, is they require considerable R&D financial investment, which we know KTM does not have. So I think they have to, at least for the time being, continue as ICE or not at all.

Yep, it's been the general understanding that they seemed to base their business model on the short term post COVID boom. Even without the cost of living increases, it seems that sportsbikes were on the way out anyway, which was once a huge market segment.

Agreed, but individually there is little we could do about it. I used to work at the largest Ford engine manufacturing facility in the world. Their electric bill was a million pounds a WEEK.

Well, one person is never going to make a significant difference on a global scale. But, that's where 'doing our bit' comes in. E.g. if I recycle or not it makes not one jot of a difference globally. But, if I'm doing my bit and everyone else is, then that makes a bigger difference.

I remember walking around once thinking "If I lived basically off the grid, in a cave, and used absolutely as little resources as I could for the rest of my life, it absolutely would not make a dent compared to the effect of this one facility"

"But if we all did it". Yes, but often in life I have found myself standing in the trenches to make a stand, with no one else around me. People in general are too consumed with their own issues and daily lives & struggles to care.

I think there are quite a few people who are taking steps to reduce their environmental impact. Lots of them. Often they get called 'woke' or are accused of 'virtual signalling' for doing so. So, I don't think it's just no-one else doing it.

Getting back on topic, I'm not sure that electric motorcycles require that much R&D. It's the batteries that are the key element, and the technology is not that different from batteries for other purposes. See how quickly Ducati, a small company, could come up with their MotoE bike. And, there are lots of tiny start-ups who have created electric motorcycles. I don't see R&D as being a huge roadblock here. And, KTM is working closely and sharing technology with CFMoto. Who clearly have some money to spend on R&D. I think it's quite possible that KTM will be able to release electric bikes.
 
Trump announced during his speach today that previous electric vehicle mandates are now dead, the focus is back to internal combustion, he said they are going to "drill baby drill" for fossil fuels to power their economy !

That works for me.

I'm not convinced that fossil fuels will deliver the economic windfall people are hoping for, but, despite the OECD's insistence to the contrary, we aren't in the midst of an apocalyptic war, and I'm glad we have stopped burning the boats.

To keep it on topic, I'm not sure if this is a threat or opportunity for Pierer Mobility. Perhaps it creates a surplus of lithium and cheaper batteries for their electric bicycle division or maybe it means economies of scale are no longer realized. I don't think hybrid motorcycles will be a thing anytime soon, so it won't affect KTM motorrad, but Honda might shake things up.
 

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