FIM To Review Jerez Accident

FIM to review Jerez marshals' actions

By Pablo Elizalde Tuesday, April 5th 2011, 13:38 GMT

MotoGP's ruling body, FIM, has announced that it will review the behaviour of the marshals at the Spanish GP following the accident between Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi.



The duo crashed after the Italian rider fell when overtaking the Australian, and Stoner complained after the race that the marshals had helped Rossi but not him to get back into the event.



The Honda rider had to retire but was convinced he could have rejoined the race had he received more assistance from the track workers.



Rossi went on to finish in fifth position.



"When I looked back I had like one guy pushing me, all the rest were walking back to their posts... What am I supposed to do with that? For sure that guy was trying hard, but with one guy it's impossible - he'd be destroyed before we got over the hill," Stoner said.



"I think if we'd have been able to get the bike going we would have had some very good points because the bike was undamaged. We should've been able to be competitive to the end, but things happen like this.



"This is something that riders who are against Valentino have had to learn to deal with. It's completely unfair, but it's something that's happened to me in the past when I've crashed.



"I've had people pushing my bike off the track - even when it's perfect and I can still race. I've had to fight with marshals to get them to try and get me started again."



On Tuesday, FIM announced that it will be reviewing the incident, although it made it clear the results of the race will not be altered.



"Following the collision between Rossi and Stoner during the MotoGP race of the Spanish Grand Prix on 3 April in Jerez, the Race Direction has decided to organise a hearing with the Clerk of the Course and the Chief Marshal in order to review the incident and to hear the explanation of the officials in charge," said FIM in a statement.



"Due to the fact that the final decision of the Race Direction will not affect the result of the race, the hearing will be organised on Thursday 28 April in Estoril, Portugal."



http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90459





Rossi must be pulling some big strings lucky boy

With all this talk about Rossi and Stoner's marshalling, did they all forget about Simoncelli's? After Side Show Simoncelli dropped his bike, in the lead too I might add, it seemed like ages until a marshall came to his aid. And I believe only 1 person showed up to help, at least from what I've seen from video footage. Even then the marshall took off and left Marco alone with his bike on the race line looking over the bike dumbfounded. I thought that was very odd and outright dangerous. I dunno, maybe the cameras didn't show the whole sequence of events so I can't really judge based on a few clips of what unfolded, but still even Simoncelli himself complained that the marshalling was inadequate.



As far as Rossi and Stoner's incident goes, I'm not convinced that the marshalls were biased. When an event such as this occur, people's heart rate tends to soar and rational decisions sometimes take the backburner. They've only had a split second to react, and in this case Rossi seems to be the one who's in need of more help then Stoner was so the focused was squarely on Rossi. Plus the Ducati didn't stall and was still running so maybe the marshalls assumed Stoner's bike was running as well, not only that it would of been difficult to hear Stoner's plea for help or to realize the HRC has stalled over the rumbling of the Ducati and crowd.

The organization at Jerez is horse ..... The profesionalism, respectfulness, work ethic, education and seriousness in Spain is completely proportional with how far south in Spain you are. And Jerez is as far south as you can go. The incident was something that I am not at all surpried happened there. I live in Spain and am half Spanish. We´ve been seeing images of the cirquit and surounding areas on the local news, and the amount of trash and garbage laying around after the circus left town is discusting. Looked like the garbage dump in Managua, Nicaragua.

Pigeon said:

On Tuesday, FIM announced that it will be reviewing the incident, although it made it clear the results of the race will not be altered.

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And why should the race results be altered? Rossi is not responsible for the marshals actions. his responsibilty is to Ducati by re-joining as quickly as possible and gaining as many points as he can for his team.

Tongue in cheek Rog



on a serious note Arn't the marshall's mostly Spanish and travel round with the Motogp Circus to each track ?

There actions were dubious At Misano after Tomi sans crash

The track marshals are local as far as I know. The ones in Aragon area from around the area. In Japan they are definitely Japanese. In Malaysia they sure look malay... If I remember correctly I think the Laguna Seca marshals are local volunteers. I think one is a PS..

The ones in Jerez to me looked like lazy Andalucians.

you could be right

re-phrase my bad i'm thinking more @the European rounds ?

Ok, I'll say this on the subject: Clearly the marshals favored Rossi. Of this I have no doubt. HOWEVER, I don't think it’s their job/duty to help riders restart their bikes. Their first and ONLY concern is safety. In fact, I'm not even gonna say they are there to help the rider remount their bikes. They are NOT there to endanger their own lives. BTW, I'm not sure people are aware, but they are for the most part volunteers, no professional enthusiast willing to help. They should do NOTHING to endanger themselves. When they go out, it’s first to help the riders get out of harms way. Let me say this again, getting the riders back on the track is of ZERO priority, concern, or even their goal.



If they were required to help the riders get back on the track, it would create a situation for an inequitable response, as they guys are fans and volunteers. What has happened is we have (including riders) began to incorrectly think these guys are there to support riders in the racing endeavor, but that is INCORRECT! They are there to support the safety of downed riders and help (without endangering themselves) to maintain a safe track environment, PERIOD.



So regarding this investigation, no marshal should be sanctioned. If anything, they should first be thanked for volunteering, and reminded their duty does NOT include helping riders get back into the race. It’s a live track and anything can happen. So they are asked to act in a high dangerous environment and make split second decisions, the guiding principal should be safety, their first and then the riders. It’s a tough call, because the marshals are also selfless sometimes and the riders selfish. For the most part, self-preservation is not the goal of the riders, they would gladly compromise life and limp for the glory they so much seek. This is why we see riders soldier on with injuries hoping some quack doctor will put enough duct tape on their injury to get them back out in competition. It’s the same at the moment they go down. They are 99% of the time in an impact zone, the most dangerous parts of the track when they go down. And what is their first concern? Answer: To get back into the race. This is the mind of a racer. That is to be contrasted with the goal and supported provided by the marshals; as their concern is to get the rider to safety, a rider who is most of the time, out of his mind still focused on the race.



I kinda have started to feel sorry for the marshals in this case. Yeah, their desire to help Rossi as fans kicked in, almost comical, as one of them seemed to be patting Rossi at-a-boys while Rossi seemed annoyed and pushing him away (see the vid again from Rossi’s bike camera). Its almost as if the marshals forgot where they were and thought they were in the paddock fighting with other rabid Rossi fans to get a glimpse. But regardless of the favoritism shown, they are not to be blamed unless they did something to endanger the riders, which they did NOT.



I’m fine with Stoner being angry, because of the favoritism shown to Rossi, once the marshals crossed outside the line of what is their job, they should have applied their support equitably (which was already incorrect, and I will say, this is a very difficult debate position to defend because you are asking them to apply equally something that is already incorrect). I submit that the correct thing to have done was help them both up and check to see if they needed assistance to get out of the impact zone. If at that time Rossi and Stoner decided they would persist to stay in an impact zone while trying to get back on the track, the marshals should have LEFT them both to their own self-interests. If the riders so chose to endanger themselves by sitting their trackside trying to get back into the race, this is of ZERO concern to the marshals.

Are we sure the marshals' favoritism was for Rossi? Or not rather against the biggest championship threat for the Spanish riders? Rossi is not a big (perceived) threat to Lorenzo or Pedro this year, so let's help him and leave the one who is a big threat sort things on his own.

Same for Simoncelli, who surely has very few fans in Spain after all his duels with Barbera and Bautista in 250.

Jumkie said:

Ok, I'll say this on the subject: Clearly the marshals favored Rossi. Of this I have no doubt.

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If you look at the article by Kropotkin and the track side video I posted in 'Should Stoner be punished' thread, you would be hard pressed to point out how marshals favored Rossi.



I agree with the rest of your post

J4rn0 said:

Are we sure the marshals' favoritism was for Rossi? Or not rather against the biggest championship threat for the Spanish riders? Rossi is not a big (perceived) threat to Lorenzo or Pedro this year, so let's help him and leave the one who is a big threat sort things on his own.

Same for Simoncelli, who surely has very few fans in Spain after all his duels with Barbera and Bautista in 250.

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The first time you said this, I ignored it, because I wanted to see who might bite on your ......... It’s a simple attempt to deflect the clear favoritism shown to Rossi; you are the master of this subtlety. This is why I've always been on your .... Those fools didn't have the championship on their mind the moment the crash happened and how they could affect the points. Their bopperism kicked in and all went toward their idol, period.

Jumkie said:

The first time you said this, I ignored it, because I wanted to see who might bite on your ......... It's a simple attempt to deflect the clear favoritism shown to Rossi; you are the master of this subtlety. This is why I've always been on your .... Those fools didn't have the championship on their mind the moment the crash happened and how they could affect the points. Their bopperism kicked in and all went toward their idol, period.

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These people who serve as marshals (I did in my life) are all motorcycling enthusiasts and have the championship situation very clear, do not worry! But your vilification campaign on Rossi has to go on, Jum... That's so obvious. The whole universe is favoring only one man -- Rossi.

Now explain why they didn't help Sic either.



It is also true that Rossi is liked by many. Is that why you hate him so much? Jealous?

J4rn0 said:

These people who serve as marshals (I did in my life) are all motorcycling enthusiasts and have the championship situation very clear, do not worry! But your vilification campaign on Rossi has to go on, Jum... That's so obvious. The whole universe is favoring only one man -- Rossi.

Now explain why they didn't help Sic either.



It is also true that Rossi is liked by many. Is that why you hate him so much? Jealous?

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I've always pointed out your soft bopperism to expose it. That's what you call vilification of Rossi. Has zero to do this him and all to do with YOU.



They didn't help Sic because he is NOT ROSSI. He is like, love, and worshipped by many, Sic, not so much.

Renjith said:

If you look at the article by Kropotkin and the track side video I posted in 'Should Stoner be punished' thread, you would be hard pressed to point out how marshals favored Rossi.



I agree with the rest of your post

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I did see your vid. And your assessment at was is the contention is incorrect. People did help Stoner, but only AFTER they sent Rossi on his way. This has already been refuted by me. See my reply to Evolution, who is saying the same thing you are.



From you vid (which was a bit poor cuz the camera moves away a few times)



Where is the concentration of marshals at this moment?

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Where is Rossi at this moment?

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chopperman said:

And why should the race results be altered? Rossi is not responsible for the marshals actions. His responsibilty is to Ducati by re-joining as quickly as possible and gaining as many points as he can for his team.

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Breathe, Rog. Breathe deep and slow. RELAX!

No one is suggesting the race results be altered.



BUT...

I actually DO believe that Rossi should have helped get Stoner going. I've seen this from other MC racers in the past and I hold their ethic in the highest esteem. If you .... up like that, you really ought to make a genuine effort to help the person you wronged. No?



Yea, I know. You're muttering "WTF are you smoking.?!"

I fully realize that we'll probably never see anything half as noble in MotoGP. That is - IMO - a loss and a shame.

Jumkie said:

I've always pointed out your soft bopperism to expose it. That's what you call vilification of Rossi. Has zero to do this him and all to do with YOU.



They didn't help Sic because he is NOT ROSSI. He is like, love, and worshipped by many, Sic, not so much.

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Ruling out that Spanish marshals may not have helped Stoner because he's the biggest threat to Lorenzo and Pedrosa, says it all.

It has always to be Rossi's fault, uh Jum? Any other explanation has the basic flaw of not corresponding to your prejudice...

J4rn0 said:

Ruling out that Spanish marshals may not have helped Stoner because he's the biggest threat to Lorenzo and Pedrosa, says it all.

It has always to be Rossi's fault, uh Jum? Any other explanation has the basic flaw of not corresponding to your prejudice...

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You know Jumkie is a Rossi hater, he just hides it well. He'll put Rossi down and then compliment him afterwards. For example :



"Rossi is the most manipulative rider in MotoGP, but I admire his achievements."



OR



"Rossi always makes excuses with his shoulder, although he does have good taste in men (Ucchio)."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYNe6VzhNo0



Check it out yourself...it looks diffrent from that angle.

And this is completly different story...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEPLURDQgVE&NR=1

Rossi has much more following in Spain than Lorenzo. The marshals were not thinking in helping Lorenzo in any way. Rossi's move on the Gibernau (SPANISH), and the lack of a public hanging shows the following Rossi has in Spain. Lorenzo may be Spanish and the champion, but i'll still say there are many more Pedrosistas that Lorenzistas. Lorenzo comes off too into himself to please the masses. He works to hard to present the image of Lorenzo.



The marshals had yellow blinders. There is no reason to argue different, sorry it was not to detriment Stoner just to only help Rossi.