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March 18th, 2012, 07:50 PM   #31
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Russell is talking about the difference between 600s and 1000s. Zemke won an FX crown (more sophisticated than WSS), but he's never been much of an SBK rider. Sofuoglu wins WSS routinely, but he can't handle 1000cc SBKs. The state of tune in DSB is not really a problem. The cream can still make its way to the top.



As horsepower goes up, the sport changes. Some riders adapt. Some riders are stuck with the skills/lines they learned on smaller machines.
No, that was not what he was talking about. He was talking about how many riders were capable of winning DSB races because they were comfortable with the pace.



You couldnt be more wrong abour Zemke, he was an excellent Superbike rider, who beat Mladin on occasion during his rein of terror on the AMA. You obviously got him mixed up with someone else.
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No, that was not what he was talking about. He was talking about how many riders were capable of winning DSB races because they were comfortable with the pace.



You couldnt be more wrong abour Zemke, he was an excellent Superbike rider, who beat Mladin on occasion during his rein of terror on the AMA. You obviously got him mixed up with someone else.


No. I obviously archived AMA Pro results on Wikipedia for the 2004-2008 seasons. Zemke scored 3 wins in 4 seasons at American Honda, and he was beaten by his teammate every season except 2007, when he was riding with James Ellison. Zemke is much better on middleweight bikes.
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No. I obviously archived AMA Pro results on Wikipedia for the 2004-2008 seasons. Zemke scored 3 wins in 4 seasons at American Honda, and he was beaten by his teammate every season except 2007, when he was riding with James Ellison. Zemke is much better on middleweight bikes.
That doesnt mean he wasnt an excellent Superbike rider, he consistently ran at the front, and won races against the likes of Matt Mladin, Miguel Duhamel, You might have heard of them. Did he have better results on the 600's, of course he did, he wasnt racing against Mladin. When he was riding an HRC prepared Superbike, he was threat to win against the best Superbike rider the AMA has ever seen. I dont have to Google search to determine if Zemke was an excellent Superbike rider, i was there. Try going to a race instead of trying to impress people with your Goggle skills.
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Gentlemen, enjoyed the weekend with excellent company and great racing. I haven't watched the race on screen to comment properly but from the place we sat, it was exciting until Benny had his mechanical, then I was bummed. But I got excited after the shock and the boys closed up the gaps to finish in a four way battle, congrats to Pascarella (I wasn't rooting for him but he won fair and square). Obviously, being a Benito fan, I was gutted for him in the race. The positive thing is he ran with the leaders after struggling all weekend.



Wilski is Wilski--the most positive man in the world. I finally got to meet JohnnyK, and he is exactly the person I thought he was, witty, resourceful, interesting, knowledgable, a racing fan and a decent man. And big props to LeviGarret who generously let us have a wild party at his house with about 100 uninvited guests. (Sorry about the holes in the walls, call JohnnyK, he can repair.)



I'm too tired, I'll continue this post later. (Slept about 8 hours total for the 4 day weekend which started Weds night (flew all night drove to track, crawled into bed about 4am after partying, repeated that for 3 days) to Sunday, arrived at midnight, only to drive to work in a daze. Good times.
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Massive thanks to Levigarett for letting us crash at his house. Just wish you could have been there too !



Levi, what's it like in Soft Tails ?
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Massive thanks to Levigarett for letting us crash at his house. Just wish you could have been there too !



Levi, what's it like in Soft Tails ?


To be honest Levi, we ran up a big bill on your Soft Tails credit account. Jum said you wouldn't mind !
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I dont have to Google search to determine if Zemke was an excellent Superbike rider, i was there. Try going to a race instead of trying to impress people with your Goggle skills.


I didn't have to use google to find out he won 3 races in 4 years with American Honda. I archived the information that google gave to you so you could see how few races Zemke won in his 4 year stint at American Honda and how average his results were. You can say you went to the races all you want. I don't think you were paying much attention.



Zemke's world class skills on a 600cc motorcycle do not translate to SBK. That was the point of the discussion.
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I didn't have to use google to find out he won 3 races in 4 years with American Honda. I archived the information that google gave to you so you could see how few races Zemke won in his 4 year stint at American Honda and how average his results were. You can say you went to the races all you want. I don't think you were paying much attention.



Zemke's world class skills on a 600cc motorcycle do not translate to SBK. That was the point of the discussion.
And you are simply wrong, As i told you before, Zemke was an excellent Superbike rider, he just wasnt as good as Mladin. Who was? I can think of one, and thats debateable. Curious what you think of Josh Hayes. Going for his 3rd title in a row, yet wouldnt have won anything in Superbike, had Mldin and Spies stayed in the series. Its all timing. Zemke had the honor of racing against the 2 best Superbike riders the series has ever had. His teammate was one of the top 5 riders the series has ever had. He ran at the front and beat these guys straight up more than once. Josh Hayes had to beat Tommy Hayden, and Blake Young, nice riders, but will NEVER be confused with Ben Spies, Miguel Duhamel and Mat Mladin.
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Have to agree with Pov on this one... Being a canuck and a big Miguel fan I was truly impressed be how good Zemke was when he first arrived on the HRC team - he was challenging his experienced and talented team mate right off the bat. And as Pov mentioned no one was touching team Zooki in those days...
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