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April 19th, 2017, 05:24 AM   #1
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Liter bikes and public roads

Legitimate question for you folks out here. I know a few posters do have liter bikes. My question is, isn't it sort of overkill for public roads? I'm not understanding for public road riding what a liter bike is going to give you in terms of speed that you can't get from a 600 given that obvious safety implications involved should you start exceeding the speed limits. Mind you I'm asking this more as a devil's advocate question to see what the responses are. Also, how are operating/maintenance costs on the newer liter bikes at least on the Japanese side of things. I heard long-term costs for say the RSV4 are outrageous.
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a) Better, easier highway roll-ons
b) Easier power, ie engine isn't working as hard, doesn't need to be at peak power
c) Controllable roll-on wheelies, lol
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I am a motorcycle dealer, yes a liter bike is over kill, but so is a 600cc sport bike especially in the city, you will never get near the limits on those bikes around town. but that does not stop me or anyone else from owning one.

as far as service and parts, most sport bikes (italian and japanese) use similar technology, and parts are about the same across the spectrum. the real difference that I have found, is that some bikes take longer to do specific services to, and that drives up service costs, A stator replacement on a GSXR is fairly simple, but on a Harley it requires the removal of the primary drive... but changing a head gasket on a Harley is simple and can be done in 90 min, while a head gasket job on a GSXR can take all day!
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Legitimate question for you folks out here. I know a few posters do have liter bikes. My question is, isn't it sort of overkill for public roads? I'm not understanding for public road riding what a liter bike is going to give you in terms of speed that you can't get from a 600 given that obvious safety implications involved should you start exceeding the speed limits. Mind you I'm asking this more as a devil's advocate question to see what the responses are. Also, how are operating/maintenance costs on the newer liter bikes at least on the Japanese side of things. I heard long-term costs for say the RSV4 are outrageous.
There are so few out there who are capable of utilizing the potential of a liter bike and fewer still, on the street, who ever go fast at all on them - except in a straight line. In my old neighborhood on the Lower East Side - I know of five guys who live within a 7 block radius, all of them overweight dimwits - who currently do all their rolling - in electric wheelchairs, paralyzed in really stupid accidents. Not one of them ever rode a small bike. They all went out and bought GSXRs or Hayabusas as their first bike.

I'm not a person afraid of big bikes. I've owned my share. I had an R6 and finally sold it. It was wayyy faster than my GPZ1100 or my Ninja from the '80s. I understand the temptation to go to a liter bike - for the sake of roll-on, but really, if someone is concerned about highway riding, get a BMW all nicely geared for highway touring. And you can get 650s that are geared for that too. The R6 was very buzzy at highway speeds and the highly tuned sport-oriented liter bikes are not much better in that regard. I've ridden Jap liter bikes and while they're fun on a good road with wide open turns, they kind of suck in the tight slow turns because they're so freakin' heavy. And on the highway... they pound your ass black and blue after an hour.

Don't know about other states, but in NY getting a motorcycle licence is much too easy. Read up sometime about how challenging it is to get a licence even for a small bike in Japan. We really need that here.

I don't think liter bikes should be banned or anything stupid like that, but riders should have to pass a test to show they're capable of riding them.

I've got a DRZ440sm and love it and actually thinking of getting a Honda CRF 250L too. My wife and rented two year before last and rode from Hanoi up to the Chinese border and back. Really awesome bike. Rode them in the cities, highways, up through the mountains and through fields and rice paddies and really fell in love with it.
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The same can be said about 450cc vs 250cc motorcross bikes, everyone wants a 450, especially people who have a lot of street riding experience but want to try dirt for the first time, and I will try and talk them into a 250 but never works. So they will buy a 450, go out to the track for their first time, and more often then not they want to trade it in for a 250.
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JPS, a lot would depend on the bike in question, the manner of riding (solo, two-up) and where you ride but my thoughts have always been that litre sportsbikes are overkill for the public as essentially you will never see them ridden near their potential, but then, is the bike bought to ride to it's potential?

IMO only but as with Hollywood, the 600 sportbikes of today are as overkill as the thousands but again are bought like loaves of bread.

I have had two 500cc parallel twins (Suzuki GS500) that was awesome fun on twisty roads and very licence preserving on straight roads which was a hoot to ride as, for me it is the enjoyment of riding.

Have also had two DL650 V-stroms (Weestroms) and they are heaps of fun to rid in the twisty stuff and comfortable as an armchair on a long tour. Great bikes actually.

Thing is, I know a lot of people out where I live who have cruisers and ride two up so have the big cruisers as they also lug camping gear, some even a trailer and whilst a smaller capacity could do it, the larger capacity does it far easier. Mind you, I live in a region of straight roads with few bends, thus the cruiser mindset out here and thy are all of the 1200 - 2000 range (not all harleys)

The biggest issue of the 1 litre sportsbikes in Oz is that we constantly hear of calls to ban them or restrict them as they so often end up in hands of posers who have NFI as to any signs of limits and simply want to twist the throttle or raise the front wheel with no thought given to time, space which so often means trips to hospitals or worse.

That said, there are exceptions as I can see why AJV wanted the H2R as it is a unique machine and not common, same with Desmosedici owners, why not have that 'special'.

Bah, I rattled on but in short for me the 1 litres are overkill (have ridden a few, way to much motor for me) but each their own on them really although for mine, on a twisty road, not much beats a 250cc two stroke
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Talking inline 4, 1000c sports bikes. Overkill and more than anything total frustration trying to ride one on the road.

Stuck in traffic, hot as. Out on nice roads, too busy watching the speedo and trying not to open the throttle.

In the 90's I had a zx7r and not long a go a 2011 gsxr750. gsxr was a nice comfy bike and I could more or less put that in 3rd and just leave it there. Always thought the 750's were great, like having a well tuned 600 supersport bike for the road, enough down low not to feel too fluffy.

I'd love a zx10r for a race bike, really would. Just that endless pull.

Like Gaz wrote above, the rgv was one of my most fun bikes ever.
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I've got a DRZ440sm and love it and actually thinking of getting a Honda CRF 250L too. My wife and rented two year before last and rode from Hanoi up to the Chinese border and back. Really awesome bike. Rode them in the cities, highways, up through the mountains and through fields and rice paddies and really fell in love with it.
I nearly bought the new crf250 rally, same bike almost, just taller suspension and bigger tank. (windshield etc too)

looks really good, perfect actually. I had a yamaha 660 tenere during the late 90's and always thought a smaller lighter version would be sweet.

I live a bit far from any decent off road riding, so bought a basic road bike instead. cb650. First road bike in about 4 years and went for a decent ride on it, it's comfy as and does what it needs too. Rode the local twisty roads as fast as usuall.
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There are so few out there who are capable of utilizing the potential of a liter bike and fewer still, on the street, who ever go fast at all on them - except in a straight line. In my old neighborhood on the Lower East Side - I know of five guys who live within a 7 block radius, all of them overweight dimwits - who currently do all their rolling - in electric wheelchairs, paralyzed in really stupid accidents. Not one of them ever rode a small bike. They all went out and bought GSXRs or Hayabusas as their first bike.

I'm not a person afraid of big bikes. I've owned my share. I had an R6 and finally sold it. It was wayyy faster than my GPZ1100 or my Ninja from the '80s. I understand the temptation to go to a liter bike - for the sake of roll-on, but really, if someone is concerned about highway riding, get a BMW all nicely geared for highway touring. And you can get 650s that are geared for that too. The R6 was very buzzy at highway speeds and the highly tuned sport-oriented liter bikes are not much better in that regard. I've ridden Jap liter bikes and while they're fun on a good road with wide open turns, they kind of suck in the tight slow turns because they're so freakin' heavy. And on the highway... they pound your ass black and blue after an hour.

Don't know about other states, but in NY getting a motorcycle licence is much too easy. Read up sometime about how challenging it is to get a licence even for a small bike in Japan. We really need that here.

I don't think liter bikes should be banned or anything stupid like that, but riders should have to pass a test to show they're capable of riding them.

I've got a DRZ440sm and love it and actually thinking of getting a Honda CRF 250L too. My wife and rented two year before last and rode from Hanoi up to the Chinese border and back. Really awesome bike. Rode them in the cities, highways, up through the mountains and through fields and rice paddies and really fell in love with it.
I love cruising motorcycle forums for the posts on any of the 600 Supersport of 1000cc Superbike forums just for the posts of: "Just got my license, can I handle a <insert bike> as my first bike?" I had friends who started out on 600cc supersports, and while they didn't wind up paralyzed like the ones you mentioned, one ultimately lost his leg when he upgraded a number of years later to a R1 because he was doing stupid shit on it, and the other quit riding saying he wanted to get out a live...although if you saw how he rode, I felt most of his close calls were of his own making. I'm glad I actually went with cruisers first because they are far more manageable from a beginner standpoint but are heavy enough they teach you a lot about balance/negotiating tight corners. But I'm getting the itch for something fast and that handles. Would like to be able to hit a lot of the country roads in northern NJ with something that will tip over quickly relative to my current bike for when I'm in the mood to ride harder.

NJ's license requirements are a joke as well. I went through the MSF course and it was good, but man some of those people in the class...I can't help but wonder if they survived the public roads or not. As long as you pass the written test and the "road" test at the MSF course, you bring the paperwork to the DMV and they issue you the license. Not much of a standard. Problem in the US now is implementing real standards for a motorcycle license would be a bitch and a half at this point. I don't think using a cc limit the way the UK does is the answer. But I do think something needs to be done to keep people off the legitimately fast bikes till they are ready for it.

A friend of mine bought a Hayabusa because she liked the way the bike looked when she went to see it, and felt that given the distance she drove to look at the bike required buying it so she didn't go home empty-handed. It wasn't her first bike by any means, but she told me that the bike scared the living shit out of her when she got it home and rode it. Which I think is a healthy response to have more because it means you will respect the bike and what it can really do. Then meanwhile on the internet, it's all, "Bros, you think a 'Busa is too much bike for my first bike?"
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