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April 26th, 2017, 05:24 AM   #51
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Out of curiosity, I rode the 2017 Harley Davidson Street Glide Special recently. I used to laugh at them, but riding that was pretty fun. It was like sitting on your couch and just going without all the wind in your face. I see how people can ride distances with those sort of fairing bikes. I hesitate on naked sport bikes because I already have a naked bike and kind of want full fairing without going the old man route yet.
Lots of folks love their Harleys. Honestly, I'm pretty ignorant about the reliability and other factors concerning modern HDs. I used to automatically look down at HD people because I viewed them all as Hells Angels posers etc etc. But I've mellowed on that score and there are a few HDs I wouldn't mind owning. See photo:


Personally - I shy away from the idea of a HD because they're known for being so insanely heavy; not so much an issue while riding, but for sure a factor when you have to park and unpark them, move 'em around the garage etc. for doing maintenance. Nothing more cringeworthy than owning a bike you've never crashed, in showroom condition, only to have your foot slip in the gravel and have it fall over on you in the driveway while getting it up on the workstand or curbside at a restaurant in a distracted or awkward moment.
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The biggest issue for me personally when riding a Harley is getting used to the low revs... takes like a half day to not keep trying to blow though the red line and just enjoy the torque. Super comfy (Glides and Dynas) but just too, too many years with bikes with a long, tall power band.

Next beef would be max lean angle... then weight...

JPS: My question is, isn't it sort of overkill for public roads? Probably but... I'm not understanding for public road riding what a liter bike is going to give you in terms of speed that you can't get from a 600 given that obvious safety implications involved should you start exceeding the speed limits. A much fatter torque curve allowing ungodly fast roll-ons for passing or having brief blasts of fun without the constant shifting required on a 600 to stay or get into the meat of the power. It can make a ride feel much more relaxed on a 1000 vs a screaming 600 at the same pace
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Out of curiosity, I rode the 2017 Harley Davidson Street Glide Special recently. I used to laugh at them, but riding that was pretty fun. It was like sitting on your couch and just going without all the wind in your face. I see how people can ride distances with those sort of fairing bikes. I hesitate on naked sport bikes because I already have a naked bike and kind of want full fairing without going the old man route yet.
I ride my Harley more then any of my bikes, its simple, comfortable, and has plenty of torque to move around the cages in traffic.

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I got a Kreiga backpack so no. Price range is up to 10K-ish. Newer well maintained used bike will be nice of course. I was looking at brand new FZ07 FZ-09, K900, or used R6 etc. I'm not in hurry since I'm saving $$$ for Motegi this year. BUT if you find something super nice, I'll come down and ride back.
with the miles you ride, you might want to look at the adventure touring class bikes, (Ducati Multistrada, BMW R1200). plenty of power if you want to go fast, standard riding position, front fairing for wind protection, almost all of them have options for saddle bags incase you need to cary more stuff.... also you may want to check out Harley Davidson, Sportster 1200 or dyna class bikes.
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Lots of folks love their Harleys. Honestly, I'm pretty ignorant about the reliability and other factors concerning modern HDs. I used to automatically look down at HD people because I viewed them all as Hells Angels posers etc etc. But I've mellowed on that score and there are a few HDs I wouldn't mind owning. See photo:


Personally - I shy away from the idea of a HD because they're known for being so insanely heavy; not so much an issue while riding, but for sure a factor when you have to park and unpark them, move 'em around the garage etc. for doing maintenance. Nothing more cringeworthy than owning a bike you've never crashed, in showroom condition, only to have your foot slip in the gravel and have it fall over on you in the driveway while getting it up on the workstand or curbside at a restaurant in a distracted or awkward moment.
I feel HD's are generally as reliable as the Japanese bikes are these days. You have the posers who think they are out there reenacting the Sons of Anarchy or think they should pretend to be some 1% club member. I ignore all of them as they are idiots, and most people trying to project that image have no real clue about the 1 percenter clubs. Knowing as much as I do about them, I usually advise people to get as far away from anyone flying colors because they aren't what some retarded show like Sons of Anarchy made them out to be. Altamont 1969 is a better representation of what those clubs are about.

I've never had any issue with the weight. It will throw people off who are used to lighweight sport bikes, but moving them around is relatively simple. You do have to be a little more cognizant of what you're doing because of the weight, but overall it's a minor concern to me anyhow.
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The biggest issue for me personally when riding a Harley is getting used to the low revs... takes like a half day to not keep trying to blow though the red line and just enjoy the torque. Super comfy (Glides and Dynas) but just too, too many years with bikes with a long, tall power band.

Next beef would be max lean angle... then weight...

JPS: My question is, isn't it sort of overkill for public roads? Probably but... I'm not understanding for public road riding what a liter bike is going to give you in terms of speed that you can't get from a 600 given that obvious safety implications involved should you start exceeding the speed limits. A much fatter torque curve allowing ungodly fast roll-ons for passing or having brief blasts of fun without the constant shifting required on a 600 to stay or get into the meat of the power. It can make a ride feel much more relaxed on a 1000 vs a screaming 600 at the same pace
Max lean angle is my biggest gripe about Harley's but of course they aren't about major lean angles. My Wide Glide is just a hair under 32 degrees on the left side, and the right is around 28.5 degrees. It takes no effort to scrape the pegs, and that's probably the most challenging part of riding it; getting as much lean without pegging out. The low-end power as you mention is addicting as hell though so it more than makes up for the lean angle. Has been extremely helpful in dicier situations.

Thanks for the thoughts on the 600 vs 1000. The extra power makes sense for those situations.
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with the miles you ride, you might want to look at the adventure touring class bikes, (Ducati Multistrada, BMW R1200). plenty of power if you want to go fast, standard riding position, front fairing for wind protection, almost all of them have options for saddle bags incase you need to cary more stuff.... also you may want to check out Harley Davidson, Sportster 1200 or dyna class bikes.
Sounds like a vote for Africa Twin.
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I looked at a xr1200. Really was after one, this one had 1700km on it, 2010 model. I know 2 guys that have had them, both said it was too cramped and too heavy for it's output. Still I didn't care, I'd mod it to fit and use it for a nice road ride cruise bike.

It just wound up too expensive. 7 year old bike, straight away I'd get shocks, exhaust bellypan and a few other things. having HD in your search for parts must add at least 25-50% to the overall price.

I am the only person in my family, brother in law, cousins, nephews and even my sons godfather that does not have a harley, or multiple harleys. So ridden a few and don't mind them.

I like the xr as it was different, road race/flat track style fun machine. Watched some ama harley racing and one comment that made me laugh was "from the bus stop all the way into t1 the whole thing just shakes and wobbles"

Seems like Australia is the number one seller for v-rods also. My bro in law has a nice one (night rod special I think) with full akropovic system. Paid $25K for it in 2009 and it is still worth the same today. Only thing is the lack of lean as you guys have said, stand hits the deck way too easy.

In Australia we have a compulsory third party insurance and some bikes over 750cc pay about $900 a year for it, on top of rego. Plus full coverage insurance is high. My 650 is $300 odd for the 3rd party insurance. So with 4 bikes, I went for the cheaper, newer option. I find it fun riding a basic bike. Love an exotic fancy machine but then having 4 different bikes and they are all pretty decent is more fun
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new Africa Twin looks very nice. It's great to sit up high and see over the traffic.
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Sounds like a vote for Africa Twin.
My bro puts a lot of time on adventure bikes. I don't remember his gripe but he dislikes the Africa twin but loves the Tenere. I think he said it was a dog. Isn't it only an 800?

I think you guys are limiting your options focusing on one bike. As an enthusiast shouldn't we all be striving to own a stable of bikes.
For me, the perfect setup would be liter, adventure and supermoto. A busa or a Povolwing would be nice too. At my age, prob a better choice than a backbreaking liter
Fuck 600's. Perfect track bike, but a constant struggle to maintain the powerban on the street
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