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April 19th, 2017, 03:59 PM   #11
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In NSW (Oz) we used to have a 250cc restriction on your first bike, two or four stroke, single or multi cyclinder however that system was changed some years back to a new system called LAMS (Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme) based on industry feedback and some research based around accident and injury statistics.

A LAMS bike is restricted to a specific amount of Horsepower which I think is around 45 - 49 per tonne (power to weight) with a maximum engine capacity of 650cc and has resulted in an increased bike market as well as a decrease in rider injuries and/or fatalities for new riders, sadly though the returning riders have not seen the same reduction.

IMO, the LAMS is a very good concept and has seen many people new to motorcycling buy a 650cc LAMS bike that is then kept for years, rater than the old scheme of '250cc to get licence, got licence, yeehaa off to bigger bikes I go'
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In NSW (Oz) we used to have a 250cc restriction on your first bike, two or four stroke, single or multi cyclinder however that system was changed some years back to a new system called LAMS (Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme) based on industry feedback and some research based around accident and injury statistics.

A LAMS bike is restricted to a specific amount of Horsepower which I think is around 45 - 49 per tonne (power to weight) with a maximum engine capacity of 650cc and has resulted in an increased bike market as well as a decrease in rider injuries and/or fatalities for new riders, sadly though the returning riders have not seen the same reduction.

IMO, the LAMS is a very good concept and has seen many people new to motorcycling buy a 650cc LAMS bike that is then kept for years, rater than the old scheme of '250cc to get licence, got licence, yeehaa off to bigger bikes I go'
That sounds like a pretty good way to get into motorcycling with a good, but safe amount of power. Guess they do come up with some good ideas down there and not just good motorcycle racers.

But I think given how quickly most people outgrow 250cc/300cc bikes, I do think larger engines are better, but it's obviously got to depend really on the power output. I can't see the whole let's just roll the dice on a GSX-R600 being a good long-term proposition from a safety standpoint. For every one who survives, how many don't? And really if you have to speak in terms of survival when the subject of starting on Supersports comes up, it probably needs to be stopped.
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But I think given how quickly most people outgrow 250cc/300cc bikes, I do think larger engines are better, but it's obviously got to depend really on the power output. I can't see the whole let's just roll the dice on a GSX-R600 being a good long-term proposition from a safety standpoint. For every one who survives, how many don't? And really if you have to speak in terms of survival when the subject of starting on Supersports comes up, it probably needs to be stopped.
In Oz (NSW) the largest group of injuries and fatalities fall into the 'returning rider' category and have done for a number of years now.

Essentially we are not looking at new riders, but people who learnt to ride 20+ years ago but stopped due to family/mortgage type of thing. But now the kids are older, the house more paid off and so they go out and buy a 1000cc bike (at times even larger) because 'back in the day' they could ride their 850cc Guzzi, or CB750 or (to use Kesh's example) their old GPZ and they could handle that ok.

What they forget is that age wearies them but more crucially, the modern 600 is twice the bike their old thing was and so they get themselves into trouble far easier, and now as they are older they are slower to react and so forth.

In NSW the cause is that if you did not give up your Motorcycle licence (years back they were separate then became a combined car/bike licence) then you do not need to resit any tests now that you want to start riding bikes again after that 2 decade or more layoff. Thus, you get on with all of the old bad habits in an environment that has changed (more traffic in general, quieter cars, mobile phones etc) where new riders are trained in all of these situations.

Not sure if the same applies in the US (I recall reading that a large number of US deaths are returned servicemen/women in search of the adrenaline rush that a deployment had provided)
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I nearly bought the new crf250 rally, same bike almost, just taller suspension and bigger tank. (windshield etc too)

looks really good, perfect actually. I had a yamaha 660 tenere during the late 90's and always thought a smaller lighter version would be sweet.

I live a bit far from any decent off road riding, so bought a basic road bike instead. cb650. First road bike in about 4 years and went for a decent ride on it, it's comfy as and does what it needs too. Rode the local twisty roads as fast as usuall.
+2 on the CRF. Used to hire them to ride around Mindoro (PI). Fun little thing, perfect for the conditions there.
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+2 on the CRF. Used to hire them to ride around Mindoro (PI). Fun little thing, perfect for the conditions there.
IMO only here but to many people still think that 'cubes is cool' or that 'more power = better bike' and overlook the pure fun factor of a smaller capacity machine but also that with technology, many of these smaller machines are small in capacity only but big on capability.
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The toecutter needs 1000cc to get away from the supercharged v8.



On a serious note though the movie is probably not far from the truth of many bike accidents on public roads.

I always liked 750cc capacity the best, best of both worlds. I find both 600cc and 1000cc a compromise of what I want in a sportsbike.
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1 Litre lol. How about 1.5 pushing 210 hp to the rear wheel with 122 ftlbs of torque. I can ease around town, hit the twisties , cruise at anywhere from 60 -120 or do a 200 mph blast when I find open interstate. The point is, I control how fast or slow the bike will go. A 300 Ninja will do twice the posted speed limit so no, 1000's are not overkill, you should be able to ride what you want.
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1 Litre lol. How about 1.5 pushing 210 hp to the rear wheel with 122 ftlbs of torque. I can ease around town, hit the twisties , cruise at anywhere from 60 -120 or do a 200 mph blast when I find open interstate. The point is, I control how fast or slow the bike will go. A 300 Ninja will do twice the posted speed limit so no, 1000's are not overkill, you should be able to ride what you want.
What are you riding, a goldwing?
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What are you riding, a goldwing?
You know what I ride
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