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January 18th, 2009, 11:11 PM   #1
 
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http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...ntary_team.html

Dorna you truly screwed motogp fans, fuck you and the horse you rode into town on...
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Stupid old farts at the top of the BBC ladder (no change then for 2009) again we know what we are doing we are good for the public...
NOT
Hate this fukcing Corporation with a passion and always have.
2009 time to get another fine for not paying there rip off fee.!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chockmoose @ Jan 19 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...ntary_team.html

Dorna you truly screwed motogp fans, fuck you and the horse you rode into town on...

Out of all their fuck ups, this is probably by far the most serious one.
They will loose a lot of viewers and at next sponsor renewal they will be a lot less atractive and they will loose huge sums on sponsors, next time around the TV-rights will be less worth becuase of the decreasing viewer numbers, and so on....
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January 19th, 2009, 04:16 AM   #4
 
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Guys! Here in germany we had eurosprt commentators taht simply were BRILLIANT!

the made sexual jokes that were almost too much for TV and knew what they were talkin bout concerning the sport itself!

now we have to watch it on Deutsches Sport Fernsehen (DSF) what translates into "German Sports Television"...

just tell U to see were suffering too over here! :-(=
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 19 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Out of all their fuck ups, this is probably by far the most serious one.
They will loose a lot of viewers and at next sponsor renewal they will be a lot less atractive and they will loose huge sums on sponsors, next time around the TV-rights will be less worth becuase of the decreasing viewer numbers, and so on....
Motogp racing is a product as far as they are concerned, which needs to be placed for maximum benefit.

I think in actuality like many of the rule changes this may be more an example of stupidity than malevolence, in that they may have a genuine belief that placing motogp with a general broadcaster rather than with pay TV might give the sport wider exposure in the long term. They would appear not to have picked the ideal time in the economic cycle to experiment, just as in (imo) dispensing with long-term supporters with a natural affinity for gp racing like michelin and to a lesser extent dunlop.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 19 2009, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp racing is a product as far as they are concerned, which needs to be placed for maximum benefit.

I think in actuality like many of the rule changes this may be more an example of stupidity than malevolence, in that they may have a genuine belief that placing motogp with a general broadcaster rather than with pay TV might give the sport wider exposure in the long term. They would appear not to have picked the ideal time in the economic cycle to experiment, just as in (imo) dispensing with long-term supporters with a natural affinity for gp racing like michelin and to a lesser extent dunlop.

I'm not even sure it's related to stupidity. We will have to wait for an announcement from motogp.com before we can pass judgment.

Given the number of home made videos on youtube and other websites, I'm sure Dorna are aware that the GP product is widely pirated and distributed around the globe. I highly doubt they are angry about all of the fan videos and the free advertising they get, but they may have realized their is a fair amount of interest in FP2 and Qualifying.

If motogp.com expands it's services to include streaming hq playback of FP2 and Qualifying, it may be a smart move from a business perspective. Personally I believe it would be even smarter to add FP1 and FP3, but that might be a bridge too far at this point.

Given Dorna's propensity to negotiate deals that don't actually exist in contracts, it wouldn't surprise me if expanding services on motogp.com is part of their plan after obtaining a gentleman's agreement with the major terrestrial providers like BBC.

Technically, if all sessions are made available without commercial interruption, it will be a benefit for the fans, even if you have to pay more to get a motogp.com subscription.

We shall see.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not even sure it's related to stupidity. We will have to wait for an announcement from motogp.com before we can pass judgment.

Given the number of home made videos on youtube and other websites, I'm sure Dorna are aware that the GP product is widely pirated and distributed around the globe. I highly doubt they are angry about all of the fan videos and the free advertising they get, but they may have realized their is a fair amount of interest in FP2 and Qualifying.

If motogp.com expands it's services to include streaming hq playback of FP2 and Qualifying, it may be a smart move from a business perspective. Personally I believe it would be even smarter to add FP1 and FP3, but that might be a bridge too far at this point.

Given Dorna's propensity to negotiate deals that don't actually exist in contracts, it wouldn't surprise me if expanding services on motogp.com is part of their plan after obtaining a gentleman's agreement with the major terrestrial providers like BBC.

Technically, if all sessions are made available without commercial interruption, it will be a benefit for the fans, even if you have to pay more to get a motogp.com subscription.

We shall see.

My main argument against that is divided in two points
1. The general public are not willing to pay another 150 just to see more. The die hard fans is not the issue here, they are few and thereby pocket change.
2. People, even die hard fans, doesn't want to watch the race on a computer, they want their flat screen sofa and a beer. Few, very few have the capability to stream through a computer to their TV. (reminds me I have to install the streaming plugin for media portal [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img])

Add to that streaming problems dorna allways had, and for people like me that live in the middle of nowhere, bandwith problems I can't see a huge increase for the web site.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 19 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp racing is a product as far as they are concerned, which needs to be placed for maximum benefit.

I think in actuality like many of the rule changes this may be more an example of stupidity than malevolence, in that they may have a genuine belief that placing motogp with a general broadcaster rather than with pay TV might give the sport wider exposure in the long term.

I agree and by fuck up I did indeed mean stupidety.
It's greed that took overhand and they didn't realize the importance of a broad quality presentation like they had through Eurosport. Almost any sport can be made interesting if they include engouh quality side information, and likewise, almost any sport can be made boring by bad commentators. UK moan but they are of the ones that are better off right after Spain and Italy. For the rest of Europe I expect a rather dark future.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jan 19 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My main argument against that is divided in two points
1. The general public are not willing to pay another 150 just to see more. The die hard fans is not the issue here, they are few and thereby pocket change.
2. People, even die hard fans, doesn't want to watch the race on a computer, they want their flat screen sofa and a beer. Few, very few have the capability to stream through a computer to their TV. (reminds me I have to install the streaming plugin for media portal [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img])

1. The general public rarely watch FP2 or even qualifying. The races will still be provided to the gen pub free of charge, but FP2 and Qualifying may end up as pay per view services on motogp.com. If the coverage is better and motogp.com expands their services to offer FP1 and FP3, I think it may be beneficial to the sport.

2. You're right. I would prefer to sit on the sofa with a beer and watch the races with friends. But for the record, I haven't watched a race on the tele since 2005 for better or worse. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif[/img] You Europeans have it good.
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As I suspected, no FP2 and qualifying on the red button so it looks like I'll be missing a lot of action from now on.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 19 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. The general public rarely watch FP2 or even qualifying. The races will still be provided to the gen pub free of charge
Only in the contries where motorcycle racing is big. In the scandinavian countries it was unsellable and ended up on a premium sattelite package only. Another $60 a month for 50 channels where of 49 is uninteresting or overlapping my current package. I suspect the situation is much the same in many other contries.
Reminder to self: Set up cardsharing client. The satelite providers has fucked with me for the last time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>2. You're right. I would prefer to sit on the sofa with a beer and watch the races with friends. But for the record, I haven't watched a race on the tele since 2005 for better or worse. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif[/img] You Europeans have it good.
Shit, that sucks. Get yourself a media PC with a couple of DVB cards and Media Portal. Then you can again sit back in your sofa watching internet content through your TV.

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