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October 29th, 2008, 06:01 AM   #1
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Eight-times world champion Valentino Rossi has blamed the increasing reliance on electronic aids in MotoGP as a key reason for the lack of wheel-to-wheel racing in 2008.

The Yamaha rider described the latest generation of 800cc bikes as 'boring' compared to their predecessors and that while other factors played their part, the ease at which they could be ridden on the limit was a contributing factor in creating processional races like the series finale at Valencia last weekend.

"For sure the 800cc is a more boring bike compared to the 990cc: there's too much electronics," he told Italian magazine Motosprint. "Now, if the electronics work well the bikes become almost perfect and the gaps increase, instead of reduce."

"The [Valencia] track is to blame too, because at no point you can take alternative lines, so you end up lining up one behind the other."

Asked to comment on the fact that it has been two years since there had been a last-lap lead change in a sport that prides itself on close racing, Rossi said: "That's a very bad thing. It's worrying.

"I don't think the single-tyre [rule] is the solution for this problem," he added. "I repeat: the electronics are very sophisticated, the technical evolution is incredible, and next year will be even worse.

"However, there have been some good races this year, so the track counts for a lot. But tracks like Valencia are not good for the show."

Rossi added that while he believed that reducing the reliance on electronic aids such as traction control would help to solve the problem, he didn't believe that it was likely to happen in the near future.

"These engines are designed considering the electronics, so the power output can afford to be aggressive because there are these systems helping out anyway," he said. "We'd need a smoother power output, to the detriment of power, but the engineers don't even want to hear that!

"So these days you can be aggressive, without being precise with the gas, because electronics helps you out anyway."
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Oct 29 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"So these days you can be aggressive, without being precise with the gas, because electronics helps you out anyway."

Throttle Control is an art form by itself... theres riders who are really good at it and riders who struggle and crash alot.

the difference between a class rider and an average one is not so big with electronics but Rossi still kicks ass [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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I vote for no TC. Watch the bike spit off the riders with no throttle control. Those wicked high sides have mostly gone away. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, but they really do have too many aids to help many riders get around the track these days.
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Hmmm I wonder where all the prototype fanatics are on this forum. Anytime a member brings up this topic its always about prototype vs the spectical. It's hard to argue against someone of Rossi's stature. I will continue to watch MOTOGP but only because I am a die hard. MOTOGP will lose the casual fan and I would argue that they amount for far more fans than the die hards. I don't know but I am guessing that these casual fans will slowly migrate to the spectacle of WSBK or some other form of excitement because the racing really is boring. And Rossi believes we are in for more of the same next year. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]

Maybe Ben Spies knew what he was doing when he went to WSBK [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img]
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Does anyone think it's good that Honda suck?

I mean that in 2 ways. 1) They are the evil empire and I'm glad they've gotten their come-uppins for changing the sport to 800s. 2) the comfort of a 990 V5 is just 1 technical committee vote away.

I know Yamaha and Ducati might not be eager to go back, but you can almost guarantee that Suzuki and Kawasaki would swing the vote in favor of Honda.

BRING BACK THE 990s! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]
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Well complain as he may about why Valencia was bad ...... he didn't complain about the winning races .

I think he is just trying to copy Stoner with this article ie. ..... he is whinging even though he won the championship! ........ which is just ike Stoner ( as all the Rossi fans complain ) ...... which was just like Doohan ( apparently ) ...... which is why Stoner is the next Doohan ...... and now Rossi is trying to be Stoner [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

One thing in Rossi's favour though .... he was the first guy to get anything new in electronics in motGP so he still has the jump on everyone else regardless of wheter he likes the electronics or not.
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To throw another slant on it.

He says that the electronics contribute to processional racing at some circuits such as Valencia (I am paraphrasing a bit).

So, why not keep the electronics, increase the fuel limit and not race at the type of circuits whereby the effect of electronics is magnified.

As for the throttle control argument, that is (IMO) a bit old hat as all of these riders have throttle control but have learnt to ignore their 'natural' instincts and instead twist the throttle and trust the electronics. If electronics were to go, you would still see the cream at the top just as it was in 2007/2008 etc.




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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 30 2008, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the throttle control argument, that is (IMO) a bit old hat as all of these riders have throttle control but have learnt to ignore their 'natural' instincts and instead twist the throttle and trust the electronics. If electronics were to go, you would still see the cream at the top just as it was in 2007/2008 etc.

Casey up until 06 didn't win anything major... not saying he wouldn't have matured into a good rider but i doubt the Ducati would be able to win without some help from the electronics (its a beast of a bike)

Then theres riders like De Puniet, would he even be in MotoGP if it wasn't for electronics and he still manages 10 crashes a season!

Then theres Hayden who would rightly rather use his 'natural' instincts to control the bike than get his ass kicked by inferior riders.

Rossi is one of the few riders in this crop who you cannot doubt can ride the bike exceptionally with or without electronics.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Oct 30 2008, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey up until 06 didn't win anything major... not saying he wouldn't have matured into a good rider but i doubt the Ducati would be able to win without some help from the electronics (its a beast of a bike)

Then theres riders like De Puniet, would he even be in MotoGP if it wasn't for electronics and he still manages 10 crashes a season!

Then theres Hayden who would rightly rather use his 'natural' instincts to control the bike than get his ass kicked by inferior riders.

Rossi is one of the few riders in this crop who you cannot doubt can ride the bike exceptionally with or without electronics.
Stoner doesn't use TC on qualifying tyres...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Oct 30 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is one of the few riders in this crop who you cannot doubt can ride the bike exceptionally with or without electronics.

When did he last not ride without electronics aids? I think you are very mistaken.

But I still think he will be one of the riders at the fore even without electronics. I don't think there is as much import, on electronics, as many say.

Who do you expect would show a drastic change in performance with no electronics and why?

I think there is still some of the absolutely sill idea that "its the electronics not Stoner" going around even though we had such graphic demonstrations as Melandri's season ......... or are you saying not only do electronics help bad riders .... but distract from good riders?

Now Hayden comes and and confirms .... "the Ducati is an animal" ....... doesn't sound very "tamed by electronics" to me .....

Bit of a funny thread really ...... last year it was "the Ducati is so tame and easy to ride even Stoner can win on it" ......... now we have a thread "Hayden can tame the beast"! .... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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