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August 21st, 2008, 08:49 PM   #1
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Many harsh words have been thrown about when the suggestion for a top speed limit was allegedly proposed by the riders. Similarly many harsh words have been uttered about the control tires.

However, if the governing powers have the ability to control corner speed and top speed, can the series actually return to prototypes? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img]

Seriously. If DORNA impose top speed limits and they use a single make tire why can't they say:

1. conventional forks
2. no auto/semi-auto gear boxes
3. chain drive
4. minimum dimension

LINE 'EM UP! 2 strokes, rotaries, V5, V6, triple, twin whatever! Think about how many more teams could build to those requirements! There would be 50 seats in GP! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Now that might be worth it.

Okay, it'll never happen, but unlimited 4 stroke piston engines is plausible.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 21 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Many harsh words have been thrown about when the suggestion for a top speed limit was allegedly proposed by the riders. Similarly many harsh words have been uttered about the control tires.

However, if the governing powers have the ability to control corner speed and top speed, can the series actually return to prototypes? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img]

Seriously. If DORNA impose top speed limits and they use a single make tire why can't they say:

1. conventional forks
2. no auto/semi-auto gear boxes
3. chain drive
4. minimum dimension

LINE 'EM UP! 2 strokes, rotaries, V5, V6, triple, twin whatever! Think about how many more teams could build to those requirements! There would be 50 seats in GP! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Now that might be worth it.

Okay, it'll never happen, but unlimited 4 stroke piston engines is plausible.

Limiting top speed is just plain stupid, and that's coming from a guy who can't stand Ducati. The problem with Moto GP is..is that technology is catching up way too fast, and everyone is trying to find a way to control or minimize the speed (especially with tires). What i don't understand is why everyone is so worry about the speed they can achieve on the machine. It DOESN'T matter if you lower the speed by 10-20 mph.... shitt it's still fast, and still dangerous regardless. Even at 35 mph you can be killed in an instant. MOST of the time a fall can be harmless, especially a lowside because one can just be a pancake and slide away safely. What is dangerous is the incident that happened to Craig Jones which is a FREAK accident, well i wouldn't say freak because a lowside do happen alot.....but that's the chance riders take when an incident like that do happen. What i'm really worried about as far as safety goes is the flags. I've seen WAY WAY too many times racers ignore the yellow flag(caution) , and take advantage of it, as a way to even push harder to make up time on those that ARE being cautious running in front of them. There shoud be be some sort of timer , or radar, to prove that the rider who disobeyed the yellow flag DIDN'T slow down enough on the caution area and thus should be penalized either by being fine or penalized grid position for the next round.
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Studies need to be done what causes death and critical injuries. I meant some tracks are very dangerous, no run off areas, not suitable for racing plus difficult to overtake.

We want to watch racing, overtaking and top speed. Remove those tracks which prohibit overtaking, lack of safety, small tracks, bumpy, bad surfaces and no run off areas and buffers. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]

Tires manufacturers must be responsible for safe top speed should last the race distance... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Aug 21 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Studies need to be done what causes death and critical injuries. I meant some tracks are very dangerous, no run off areas, not suitable for racing plus difficult to overtake.

Yes... and that is why whenever i see the riders go full throttle on the start/finish straigh at Laguna Seca, I always hope that they make it through safely. There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for the slight bend on the start/finish straight because if a rider should fall for whatever reason...they GO STRAIGHT INTO the Concrete wall, there is no runoff area at all. Laguna Seca is NOT a safe track, even with the changes after the MotoGP riders complain about it not being safe, it is still dangerous.
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August 21st, 2008, 11:15 PM   #5
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IMHO, some engineering firms need to be consulted on amending the tracks.

Force them to come up with some novel solutions. Instead of extending run off areas, maybe let's ask the question: Why do run off areas have to be made of gravel/stones? Can't they think of a softer, energy absorbing material as an alternative? Can the rider gear be improved? How about those airbags that Dainese is developing(which we saw in FP for a 125cc race last year)?

Instead of rushing to limit the bikes, Dorna need to think outside the box.

It's always been strange to me: Why is all the creative thinking reserved for the development of the bikes, but not for the safety of the riders?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Aug 22 2008, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We want to watch racing, overtaking and top speed. Remove those tracks which prohibit overtaking, lack of safety, small tracks, bumpy, bad surfaces and no run off areas and buffers. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]

So we should follow F1 around on the safest, widest tracks that have been designed to encourage overtaking.
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August 26th, 2008, 10:50 AM   #7
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<span style="font-family:ArialSafety is important but it can be over emphasised somtimes.. theres always going to be a certain degree of risk but these riders are very well paid and insured.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 26 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:ArialSafety is important but it can be over emphasised somtimes.. theres always going to be a certain degree of risk but these riders are very well paid and insured.


The sport needs is equitable safety legislation.

Ride poorly - get injured

Ride well - stay healthy

In the 800cc era, riders can ride nearly identically over several laps, but an unexpected pebble, a crack in the pavement, or a few tire marbles can throw off TC and send them flying into the gravel.

Sometimes they get away with sloppy throttle modulation, sometimes they don't.

Riders need to believe they have control over their own safety.
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