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August 21st, 2008, 08:26 PM   #21
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I miss the 990s too, but does anybody really think their return is even in the realm of possibility? Would the factories be willing to throw the millions spent on the 800s out the window? Would the grid shrink even more as teams are forced to change equipment again?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Aug 22 2008, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I miss the 990s too, but does anybody really think their return is even in the realm of possibility? Would the factories be willing to throw the millions spent on the 800s out the window? Would the grid shrink even more as teams are forced to change equipment again?
not a chance in hell, there gone for good. theres no way dorna would do a u turn and no way the factory's would waste all that money. The factory's are not interested in close racing or what spectacle it gives us, thats dornas problem. the factory's are only interested in developing there product.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Aug 21 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I miss the 990s too, but does anybody really think their return is even in the realm of possibility? Would the factories be willing to throw the millions spent on the 800s out the window? Would the grid shrink even more as teams are forced to change equipment again?

Short term--no way in hell.

Long term--who knows.

The pride of the manufacturers will ensure the 800s stay. Backtracking will only confirm that they are idiots. Ezy was an idiot for letting reactionary changes to the sport pass in the wake of a competitors death, but at least he seems open to the idea of change.

The manufacturers aren't even developing meaningful technologies anymore. Motogp tech is about as useful as F1 tech---it allows people to buy overpriced, superfluous technology.

The manufacturers want to do the same thing they've always done. They are ready for change about once every decade. The political instability of the last couple of seasons is going to make them resilient to any change regardless of its ability to improve the sport.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Aug 19 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More regulations result in more boring races. I say take of ALL regulations -- any tire, any displacement, as much fuel as needed, now that's racing..
Well thatd be what youd call a true prototype class but its not as if Motogp is supposed to be pure raching mach...oh i see what you did there. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
When i come to power the following will be done in MotoGP
990 four strokes/500 two strokes (every manufacturer must field at least one four and two stroke both of which must have comparable development so neither becomes obsolete)
No electronics
No control tyre
"Emaciated jockeys" or any other overpaid prima donnas who mince around the paddock complaining about safety will be punishable under penalty of court marshall.A similar penalty will be incured for tyre manufacturers who confirm to their home nations stereotype by simply giving in when the competition gets too stiff.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Aug 22 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well thatd be what youd call a true prototype class but its not as if Motogp is supposed to be pure raching mach...oh i see what you did there. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
When i come to power the following will be done in MotoGP
990 four strokes/500 two strokes (every manufacturer must field at least one four and two stroke both of which must have comparable development so neither becomes obsolete)
No electronics
No control tyre
"Emaciated jockeys" or any other overpaid prima donnas who mince around the paddock complaining about safety will be punishable under penalty of court marshall.A similar penalty will be incured for tyre manufacturers who confirm to their home nations stereotype by simply giving in when the competition gets too stiff.
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] you got my vote
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Aug 22 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.A similar penalty will be incured for tyre manufacturers who confirm to their home nations stereotype by simply giving in when the competition gets too stiff.
Hahahaha. Dude, that is funny.
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Would Bridgestone still be allowed to give Rossi/Stoner the better compounds if we had a control tyre, would everyone be on the exact same rubber?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 24 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would Bridgestone still be allowed to give Rossi/Stoner the better compounds if we had a control tyre, <u>would everyone be on the exact same rubber?
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That would be ideal now wouldn't it...but who knows [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 24 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would Bridgestone still be allowed to give Rossi/Stoner the better compounds if we had a control tyre, would everyone be on the exact same rubber?

You can be quite sure they would make it like it is in SBK. They have a certain set of tire modles to select from and that is the exact same for everyone. You could still go wrong by selecting to hard or to soft compound but that's about it.

The strange thing is that so many think there are some very special, secret, super tires the manufacturers are handing out to a slected few riders. I got news for you: as long as it is a real tire competition out there Michelin and Breidgestone can't afford to keep the best tires from most of the riders. They need to supply the best they've got to win the tire war. In the old days with total Michelin domination that could be an option, and a way to keep cost down, but I doubt it was more than an occational special favor after successful testing of the same tire, not yet in normal production. More or less the same way the fectory riders get to try the good stuff first.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 24 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can be quite sure they would make it like it is in SBK. They have a certain set of tire modles to select from and that is the exact same for everyone. You could still go wrong by selecting to hard or to soft compound but that's about it.

The strange thing is that so many think there are some very special, secret, super tires the manufacturers are handing out to a slected few riders. I got news for you: as long as it is a real tire competition out there Michelin and Breidgestone can't afford to keep the best tires from most of the riders. They need to supply the best they've got to win the tire war. In the old days with total Michelin domination that could be an option, and a way to keep cost down, but I doubt it was more than an occational special favor after successful testing of the same tire, not yet in normal production. More or less the same way the fectory riders get to try the good stuff first.
i find that quite funny too. its more a case of there's so many to choose from. compound duel compound ect ect. some teams have more experience and data which helps them make better choices rather than them being given magical tyres
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