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August 19th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #11
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The "problems" in this list are all based on opinions that not everyone will share, and your predictions are little more than speculation. Good for you if everything works out how you dream, but I have my doubts
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 19 2008, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pretty good points there Lex, although I can't quite follow your logic on these two points. Are you saying that if the control tire is of a harder compound, there will no longer be a need for fuel restrictions as the tires will not be able to handle the excessive power anyways?

And with the electronics portion, I guess I just don't follow how a control tire could lead to abolishing rider aids. If anything, I would feel that it will push the manufacturers to become more dependent on those aids as there will be less grip available.

Yeah, I was trying to say there is no reason to limit fuel if tires can't handle additional horsepower. Obviously, top speed would still be a worry, but harder compounds means slower corner entry and longer braking zones. In theory, it should be a self correcting problem that can be controlled with the tires.

Right now, if I remember correctly, tires are much softer in the center b/c that part of the tire undergoes less stress than the edges (opposite of most road tires). So I'm thinking electronic controls to control the bike's pitch won't be as necessary? Who knows, maybe that one is a stretch.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 19 2008, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im assuming #4 was aimed at Asimo since he is the one that is so much smaller than the rest.

Even though less weight obviously is a + when it comes to tire wear,I would think acceleration and braking would be bigger factors than tire wear.My point being,If #4 was aimed at Asimo,when was the last time you saw him make a late race surge because his tires lasted longer.

Asimo doesn't use more durable tires, he uses softer tires. His skills and his compounds give him an edge.

Number 4 wasn't aimed at Pedrosa, he has an advantage the governing body never should have allowed to come to pass. #4 is aimed at improving the health of the riders. Hopefully a few kg more, will allow these guys to ward of sickness and recover more quickly from injuries.

I also happen to think that motorsports should work to include a wide variety of people. Unlike normal sports in which performance is directly and primarily affected by a person's strength and stature, motorsports are much more heavily affected by the machines. The rider is hired based upon his ability to control the machine. The idea is to make sure the effects of stature are limited so we can maximize participation in the sport.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 19 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The idea is to make sure the effects of stature are limited so we can maximize participation in the sport.

If you don't want the riders stature to have an effect you are definitely watching the wrong sport. It cannot be eliminated as a factor when weight transfer is the most significant skill they have.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you don't want the riders stature to have an effect you are definitely watching the wrong sport. It cannot be eliminated as a factor when weight transfer is the most significant skill they have.

I said the effects of stature should be limited not worsened by the governing body. I don't have any pipe dreams about 6'3" 100kb linebackers riding motogp bikes [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 1: Corner speed g's.
Solution: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how this would be fixed by hard control tire compounds. Yup that's evident.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 2: Top speed
Solution: Back in the 990 days the manufacturers aimed for 340kph because it was believed that this was the optimal speed. Above 340 was somewhat wasteful because the braking distances were so long it cut into accelerating distance. So if we have a control tire and 990cc do we even need top speed governance. If the compounds are hard enough and corner speeds come down, it seems that it wouldn't be necessary because breaking distance would start eating away at accelerating distance. Furthermore, tracks with long straights are already being cut from the calendar and replaced with shorter straight tracks (no China, new Hungary).Partially true, they will come out of the corner a bit slower, but the different in top speed will be marginal and IMO top speed is not a problem right now. There's is no such thing as optimal top speed, you go as fast as you can.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 3: Narrower tires
Solution: you don't need narrower tires if they make the compounds hard enough.
True

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 4: Emaciated, midget riders
Solution: If the compounds are designed to last past race distance riders won't have to be sickly, emaciated midgets.
Partially true lighter riders stress less the tyres and can use a softer compound, still it's a small difference, it won overcome the difference generated by the gap in talent between a small rider and normal sized rider from let's say for example Kentucky. This rule was already done in 125cc and the small rider still took the title despite in a 125cc it's much more significant the ballast effect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 5: Parity of equipment
Solution: so much emphasis has been put on the bike manufacturer, but if anything Rossi/Yamaha have proved that parity of tires is more important over the course of a season. Control tires will put everyone on the same rubber
True, and also satellite teams wont get the leftovers of the factory teams anymore.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 6: Fuel restrictions
Soluation: Fuel restrictions are killing the sport. They were instituted to reduce power. Dorna needed to reduce power because the tires were capable of unleashing more and more every year. If a control tire controls the amount of power that gets to the ground does it matter how much raw power a bike can produce?
Not true, fuel restrictions wont be affected by this. And someday this rule will save bike racing events in places where treehuggers control the government.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 7: Wheelie control/ braking control
Solution: A lot of riders clamor for less electronics and more safety. If the tires are harder it seems the bikes will be less prone to front flips and less prone to violent wheelies. In theory, this should eliminate the intrusion of electronics. It may end the push for control guards.
Not at all, it's completely independent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 8: One racing line, One riding style
Solution: In theory, if the tires are designed to provide good grip past race distance riders can employ them in many ways. They can ride rear wheel and slide the bike around, or they can ride front wheel and try to nip inside under breaking then carry the speed through the corner. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] It will be nice to see both styles again.
Nope, not at all, racing line will be the same. Probably less riding styles since riders with radical needs like for example Elias wont be able to get the radical tyres they need.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 9: Low viewership
Solution: Hard compounds means SLIDES [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] I want to watch the premier class and think to myself, "thank God I chose accounting". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
True, hopefully.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Problem 10: Circuit runoff/rider injury
Solution: a control tire should, in theory, slow the increase in speeds in a way that allows track owners and DORNA time to adapt. DORNA can require tracks to increase runoff before the end of the next decade, while issuing contracts for development of new rider safety equipment (personally, I'm intrigued by the airbag leathers).
True, though it's really point 1 again.

Obviously, a control tire with 990cc capacity and no throttle by wire would be the holy grail. It seems that the riders and DORNA are becoming anxious to dethrone the manufacturers. It will be interesting to see what happens. Let's hope for the best.

Yup let's hope for the best, but with the way this sport is ruled, manufacturers have too much power it won't be easy to get rid of traction control, IMO the 800cc or 990cc is not so relevant. But the electronics is going to be a bitch to remove. At least control tyre should not be too hard to get.
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I liked the idea of making the tyres narrower, riders will be able to make a bit more of a difference.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The "problems" in this list are all based on opinions that not everyone will share, and your predictions are little more than speculation.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Aug 19 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More regulations result in more boring races. I say take of ALL regulations -- any tire, any displacement, as much fuel as needed, now that's racing..
apart from the any displacement i agree [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] but having said that it would be cool to see real prototypes racing instead of just reciprocating otto cycle engined bikes. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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The problem with having open rules, of course, would be the series would consist of 1 Honda and 1 Yamaha.
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