MotoGP Forum  

Go Back   MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

MotoGP MotoGP Forum - MotoGP Class Motorcycle Racing Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
November 10th, 2007, 02:12 PM   #81
World Champ
 
Joined: May 2007
From: N. Ireland

Posts: 1,836

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Nov 10 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]100194[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And the other Honda's? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]


Well Nicky was like Capirossi he had trouble with bike setup so he wasn't really on it, the other Honda's i dunno but they are not factory bikes and didn't get any upgrades for ages.
an4rew is offline  
 
November 10th, 2007, 03:42 PM   #82
Senior Member
 
J4rn0's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
From: Tuscany, Italy

Posts: 3,798
Likes: 726

I Ride: Yamaha and Ducati
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 10 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]100163[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i posted this thread back in april to debate this very thing. iwould be interest to hear your ideas on a fair point system.

http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/index.php...fit+for+purpose


Yes, - the only thing I do not agree with is the points for the pole position - at least until they forbid the use of qualifying tyres.
I think it would be a good idea to increase the difference between 1st and 2nd but maybe 6 or 7 points difference would be enough.
I remain of the opinion that if the final score difference is lower than the difference between 1st and 2nd, then the number of victories should prevail.
Anyway... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
J4rn0 is offline  
November 10th, 2007, 03:53 PM   #83
 
Joined: Sep 2006

Posts: 22,701
Likes: 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 10 2007, 11:42 PM) [snapback]100203[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes, - the only thing I do not agree with is the points for the pole position - at least until they forbid the use of qualifying tyres.
I think it would be a good idea to increase the difference between 1st and 2nd but maybe 6 or 7 points difference would be enough.
I remain of the opinion that if the final score difference is lower than the difference between 1st and 2nd, then the number of victories should prevail.
Anyway... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

i think a point for pole is a good idea, i think we should keep the qual tyres tho,mabe some of the poorer teams can manage 1 fast lap on a quali to pick up a point where as they cant compete over a race distance. but i will admit i had not considered quali tyres when i suggested points for poles,im open minded tho so could be swayed to agree about banning quali's if a good case were put forward to do so.
chopperman is offline  
November 10th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #84
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007

Posts: 1,656

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 10 2007, 11:53 PM) [snapback]100205[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think a point for pole is a good idea, i think we should keep the qual tyres tho,mabe some of the poorer teams can manage 1 fast lap on a quali to pick up a point where as they cant compete over a race distance. but i will admit i had not considered quali tyres when i suggested points for poles,im open minded tho so could be swayed to agree about banning quali's if a good case were put forward to do so.


theres your cost cutting.... quali tyres must be a big cost to develop and the money saved would go towards race tyre development...

win win IMHO
BigAl is offline  
November 11th, 2007, 03:10 AM   #85
Senior Member
 
J4rn0's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
From: Tuscany, Italy

Posts: 3,798
Likes: 726

I Ride: Yamaha and Ducati
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 11 2007, 12:53 AM) [snapback]100205[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think a point for pole is a good idea, i think we should keep the qual tyres tho,mabe some of the poorer teams can manage 1 fast lap on a quali to pick up a point where as they cant compete over a race distance. but i will admit i had not considered quali tyres when i suggested points for poles,im open minded tho so could be swayed to agree about banning quali's if a good case were put forward to do so.


The case against Qual tyres is simply that they generate a grid that often has little to do with the actual race pace. Cost would be the last worry but one can throw that in also, for good measure [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
J4rn0 is offline  
November 11th, 2007, 07:35 AM   #86
 
Joined: Sep 2006

Posts: 22,701
Likes: 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 11 2007, 11:10 AM) [snapback]100256[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The case against Qual tyres is simply that they generate a grid that often has little to do with the actual race pace. Cost would be the last worry but one can throw that in also, for good measure [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

i think this is good tho for 2 reasons.
1. as i said, the poorer teams can put in a super fast quali lap to get some exposure ,score a point and get a bit lime light where as they cant afford to keep up with the rich teams over a race distance, ie tech 3 this season.

2. it shows lap time possibility's for the near future, so helps tyre manufactures teams and riders develop for a faster pace.
chopperman is offline  
November 11th, 2007, 08:05 AM   #87
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2007
From: sydney australia

Posts: 10,614
Likes: 2128

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 11 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]100293[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
2. it shows lap time possibility's for the near future, so helps tyre manufactures teams and riders develop for a faster pace.


Perhaps I am naive, but I would have thought it also says something about the ultimate capability of the bike.

Everyone has assumed that the michelin qualifiers were superior to the bridgestone qualifiers this year, but what if they really had similar perormance or the bridgestones were superior but just not by the same amount as the race tyres? Valentino might win next year even with an engine down on power as he and stoner's qualifying performance was pretty close most of this year.
michaelm is offline  
November 11th, 2007, 08:38 AM   #88
 
Joined: Sep 2006

Posts: 22,701
Likes: 2

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Nov 11 2007, 04:05 PM) [snapback]100294[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Perhaps I am naive, but I would have thought it also says something about the ultimate capability of the bike.

Everyone has assumed that the michelin qualifiers were superior to the bridgestone qualifiers this year, but what if they really had similar perormance or the bridgestones were superior but just not by the same amount as the race tyres? Valentino might win next year even with an engine down on power as he and stoner's qualifying performance was pretty close most of this year.

interesting points, the only time i think quali tyres should be banned is if they go for a single make control tyre. i think quali tyres are important for tyre development.

damn, we seemed to have strayed off topic here but ended up have some good debates [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
chopperman is offline  
December 10th, 2007, 10:03 PM   #89
Senior Member
 
Jumkie's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Mom's House

Posts: 24,726
Likes: 3980

Yes, I havenít been around lately, so Iíve been reading some ďoldĒ threads. I came across this one and started laughing uncontrollably. Its not so much that Johnnyís post was so hilariously funny, witty, and clever, but the real laughter came from reading the knee-jerk Neanderthals that just didnít get the satire (bar the new people that perhaps may not have known the inside joke history behind the sarcasm), but those who were here back when Hayden was summarily crucified for winning the championship, those that were here before, have no excuse for not getting the joke. Jesus H Christ, Iíve been only gone for a few months but it seems more of the same. And I havenít even got to the Rossi- Bridgestone threads. My God, if this is what Iím in for, only the Lord can help me now!

Johnnyís post was so witty it deserves a second look.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Nov 6 2007, 07:08 PM) [snapback]99379[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Congratulations Dani for being lucky. You certainly don't deserve that 2nd place trophy. You never earned it. You only won two races.
You are the worst 2nd place finisher of all time. I will never acknowledge
that you are the 2007 runner up. History will put an asterisk next to your name and this season. You only got second place because those that finished behind you scored fewer points than you. Those races when they crashed, broke or finished badly were merely them giving you points. You wern't good enough to beat them. You had to rely on their poor judgement and bad luck in order to score more points. That's not how a true motogp runner up should race.
You are a lucky fraud who will never be a runner up again!

Haha, this was an excellent post. Is this how we weed out the adolescent members and IQs-less-than-your-shoe-size members of the forum? By using witty posts beyond the capabilities of a blindfolded monkey? Great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rgvneil @ Nov 7 2007, 07:22 AM) [snapback]99486[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If this thread shows us 'oldies' one thing it's that there are many 'newbies' here who didn't see all the grief Nicky Hayden got last year.
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Yeah, so how do you explain some of the 'oldies' getting their panties in a tizzy? Johnny's post had WIT & SATIRE written all over it, yet, plenty of the 'oldies' got all flustered. Haha, especially the 15 and younger crowd. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Nov 7 2007, 05:28 AM) [snapback]99445[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Satire is something that must be practiced only in the US and UK.For those of us that see it all the time,its obvious even on a computer screen.Its like the post where someone was coming unglued about an Mamola article.It was so obvious,yet some saw it as a serious article bashing Rossi.I guess some people are just edgy emotionally and take everything as a personal affront.

I don't think it limited to the US/UK, I think its practiced the world wide. Wittiness is a universal human activity that enriches life. However, satire/wit requires a bit of a sense of humor and a bit of IQ (not allot of it and not in any particular order).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Nov 7 2007, 11:14 AM) [snapback]99548[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I took the joke as more of making fun of Rossi and his fans than Pedrosa.

That's because, unlike a few, you actually got the joke.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Nov 7 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]99577[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
.....So little recognition of sarcasm and irony in some peoples posts, even after it was pointed out [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img] where's Jumkie when you need him?

I told you I would splash in, but perhaps this was not the grand reappearance you were hoping for? Perhaps a kinder, gentler, return? Hahaha. This was a great thread to return and begin posting on. Wow, it really is breathtaking to see the sarcasm/wittiness ooze out of a post and it not reach the tickle bone of the reader. Ah, the irony.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(baldylocks @ Nov 8 2007, 04:06 AM) [snapback]99700[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
HMMM - what would jumkie say i wonder ?

OH - yeah - "Grow some skin........" [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

Where is the little fat donut eater anyway ? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif[/img] does anyone hear from him ?

Here is a secret. As you wrote this post, perhaps you didn't know that this exact day was my birthday. (Yes, its the 8th of November). Now how is that for irony? Amazing, and you were talking about me some half a world away not knowing that I was getting drunk, cursing my computer for crashing, and not having my Internet connection up to keep in touch with my online family.

As far as this thread and your post, well wonder no more my friend, I think what I would have said is not, 'grow some skin' but rather to those who didn't get the sarcasm in Johnny's post to start this thread, I would have said: 'grow some brain!'.
Jumkie is offline  
December 10th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #90
Senior Member
 
Jumkie's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2006
From: Your Mom's House

Posts: 24,726
Likes: 3980

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 7 2007, 06:26 PM) [snapback]99603[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Satire requires the notions being put forward to be so prolific as to be ludicrous ...... or a spoof of a previous situation maybe .... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]


Worth quoting you here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Nov 7 2007, 07:18 PM) [snapback]99605[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

I think it's funny that some are so jaded to absurd posts that they
couldn't see it as sarcasm.

Not just "jaded" but 'silly' too. Oh crap, just when the mods thought it was safe, here I come out with that repugnant "S" word. (Only the old-school members may get this inside joke, but to let you in on it, when I first joined this site, I called a member's post "silly", then I was crucified).

Disclaimer: Don't worry mods, I love you remember.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(somedamnwriter @ Nov 8 2007, 04:16 AM) [snapback]99701[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
jumkie likes extremes.... when he goes, no one has an idea...when he's around, he makes sure everybody knows it [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

SDamnW, you are so psychoanalytical. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img] Hell, just wait until I get a chance to respond to the "Its ok VR gets Bstones since he deserves preferential treatment on account he is God." Oh, then you will know I'm around.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vtinoimik @ Nov 8 2007, 04:19 AM) [snapback]99703[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so i wasn't the only one wondering where jumkie is... hahaha

Wonder no more. I'm here to balance out the universe. When I first joined this site it might as well been called: Rossiloversforum.com but now it seems the Stoner fans have found a playground to sing their praises, its important that Hayden fans maintain the balance of reality around here. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 8 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]99704[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yeah, i keep in touch with <strike>charlie sheene</strike>, i mean jumkie [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] think he is working hard in between putting out fires. hopping to hook up with him next year for lugna seca. looking for cheep flights to LA, any ideas anyone ??

I bet you didn't know when you wrote this post it was my bday. Isn't that amazing. There must certainly be parallel universes. Dude, you gotta get a plane ticket and get your fat ass down here. Or as Damn suggests, start swimming.

Hey, Roger, don't ignore the red little lines under most of the words in your posts, they are there to help us.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Nov 7 2007, 12:45 AM) [snapback]99406[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Hi BG, It appears you got Johnnys joke here. But I've been reading some of your mindless defense of VR and the Bstone threads, I hope you were joking, cuz I'm coming after those next. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
Jumkie is offline  
Reply

  MotoGP Forum > MotoGP Forum > MotoGP

Tags
2nd, deserve, doesn't, pedrosa, place



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why doesn't Pedrosa just race the pneumatic? eltoro MotoGP 15 September 3rd, 2008 05:23 AM
Which 250cc drivers deserve a Moto GP ride? Wander MotoGP 74 August 11th, 2008 01:24 PM
Does James Toseland deserve to be Champ? Jumkie Motorsports 25 October 11th, 2007 11:26 PM
Does the BBC deserve motoGP BEN MotoGP 3 April 19th, 2005 07:24 AM


Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2018 Powerslide. All rights reserved.
MotoGP Forum is a MotoGP enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent MotoGP or Dorna Sports, S.L. of Madrid, Spain.