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October 21st, 2007, 04:25 AM   #1
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Rossi was doing similar lap times to Stoner but could not close that gap to De Puniet.

So you have 3 manufacturers with 4 different riders with their own style/skill which doesn't seem to matter anymore. They are within tenths of each other like robots.

I can see now why Rossi is not coming through from the back because its not possible anymore.

Dam electronics spoiling the fun, i guess you got to have a perfect start now or your race is over and they all go single file like Formula One.

It didn't seem as noticable with the 990 maybe because it took more skill to ride it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 21 2007, 10:25 PM) [snapback]96366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi was doing similar lap times to Stoner but could not close that gap to De Puniet.

So you have 3 manufacturers with 4 different riders with their own style/skill which doesn't seem to matter anymore. They are within tenths of each other like robots.

I can see now why Rossi is not coming through from the back because its not possible anymore.

Dam electronics spoiling the fun, i guess you got to have a perfect start now or your race is over and they all go single file like Formula One.

It didn't seem as noticable with the 990 maybe because it took more skill to ride it.


Geez one minute it's top speed deficiency, then it's tyres now it's electronics.
A phenomenal effort considering he's on a Vespa I Suppose. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 21 2007, 10:25 PM) [snapback]96366[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can see now why Rossi is not coming through from the back because its not possible anymore.


I'm sure that Uccio will be absolutely devastated to learn of this... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 21 2007, 01:37 PM) [snapback]96369[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you really believe that!!?? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]


i never thought it would happen to bikes but it has, it doesn't matter how good you are.

i know Stoner is a good rider but i only came to that conclusion because hes been the most consistant rider this year i cannot use anything else as a valid point but give him a yamaha and he won't do any better than Rossi.

it was always exciting to see Rossi coming through the field or some other rider but its impossible and shouldn't be like this. It should not be single file racing. People do not want to pay to watch this.

I think theres too much talk on tyres and they are only a small thing. the electronics even influence the tyres when they go off.

We need more than 50/50, we need 80/20, 80% being the rider or its just boring.

Also i do not like crashes they can be bad even fatal but theres got to be some vulnerbility. It seems if you keep the bike close to its limits but will still be very fast its impossible to fall off unless its wet, you touch the white line, go off track, pushing too hard to make up a bad start (over leaning etc) or contact with another rider.

These bikes just don't fall down easily and thats not good because they give a false sense of reality that you can go fast and safe.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 22 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]96491[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
We need more than 50/50, we need 80/20, 80% being the rider or its just boring.


Well as "fruity" as that all sounds .... I agree with this ..... kinda backs what I've been saying ... Stoner is the only one out there who is trying ... so he's way over 80% .... many of the rest are not.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 22 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]96491[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i never thought it would happen to bikes but it has, it doesn't matter how good you are.

i know Stoner is a good rider but i only came to that conclusion because hes been the most consistant rider this year i cannot use anything else as a valid point but give him a yamaha and he won't do any better than Rossi.

it was always exciting to see Rossi coming through the field or some other rider but its impossible and shouldn't be like this. It should not be single file racing. People do not want to pay to watch this.

I think theres too much talk on tyres and they are only a small thing. the electronics even influence the tyres when they go off.

We need more than 50/50, we need 80/20, 80% being the rider or its just boring.

Also i do not like crashes they can be bad even fatal but theres got to be some vulnerbility. It seems if you keep the bike close to its limits but will still be very fast its impossible to fall off unless its wet, you touch the white line, go off track, pushing too hard to make up a bad start (over leaning etc) or contact with another rider.

These bikes just don't fall down easily and thats not good because they give a false sense of reality that you can go fast and safe.


.......OR, get a new bunch of riders who are capable of mastering the technology at the same level (and beyond) of where Casey is right now. Based on the above argument he has come to terms with what has been presented to him. Everyone else (e.g. Capi and Barros - same bike same tech - and other teams who obviously are witnessing the current spectacle) just have to catch up. So it's not "technology's" fault. Catch up everybody then we might get some closer racing?????
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vibe @ Oct 22 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]96512[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
.......OR, get a new bunch of riders who are capable of mastering the technology at the same level (and beyond) of where Casey is right now. Based on the above argument he has come to terms with what has been presented to him. Everyone else (e.g. Capi and Barros - same bike same tech - and other teams who obviously are witnessing the current spectacle) just have to catch up. So it's not "technology's" fault. Catch up everybody then we might get some closer racing?????


Vibe for President!! ..... well said [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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Do the electronics set the bike up? Nope.

Sure they aid the rider with certain aspects and everyone used them, T/C will help conserve tyres, but I would think that bike setup in the practice sessions, previous data, rider feedback would me more important that the electronics package.

If the Ducati package is that hot, then what are the excuses of Loris, Alex, and The Hoff (when he was still racing)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vibe @ Oct 22 2007, 05:16 AM) [snapback]96512[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
.......OR, get a new bunch of riders who are capable of mastering the technology at the same level


i agree Casey has adjusted the best to what hes got and is a proven rider now in my opinion (nothing to do with him being on a Duke)

Although should it really be about finding mostly average riders capable of mastering new technology when theres riders who are really talented but are being put in the shade by lesser lights like De Puniet just because Kawasaki mechanics did a good job.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mark S @ Oct 22 2007, 05:34 AM) [snapback]96514[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Do the electronics set the bike up? Nope.


Electronics are more important than setting up the bike nowadays, so yes.
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