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September 17th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #51
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 18 2007, 06:17 AM) [snapback]91172[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Satellite teams don't really need a relatively expensive "development" type rider. Barros isn't that bad, but his crowning achievement this season was relegating Stoner to 4th during an extremely tense time during the championship hunt at Ducati's home track. If you're going to keep a savvy old vet around you'd better make sure he knows how to lose with class.

Barros missed his big opportunity to secure his seat. They may as well put a young cheap kid in the saddle and see if they hit paydirt.

Exactly. This squad should be about developing rider talent. Barros has reached the end of his career and seems to be achieving less and less as he goes on. I just don't see the benefit for D'antin or MotoGP in keeping Barros in the seat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Sep 18 2007, 06:17 AM) [snapback]91172[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think Hoffmann is a fuckin' prick!

If i quote this does it mean the moderators will ban me or you? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I've moved on from Hofmann being a prick, he is now a douche bag.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Sep 17 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]91207[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

If i quote this does it mean the moderators will ban me or you? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] I've moved on from Hofmann being a prick, he is now a douche bag.

That is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] .

Look, I don't personally know the guy, but those were his words, he quit. He gave up in dishonor. I don't have anything personal against him. As a matter of fact I saw an interview about his career and thought he seemed to be a nice guy. But this incident has shown his hand and I can't really say I am impressed. Sure we all have frustrations as human beings. We have trial and tribulations, and even scores to settle with people who have wronged us. But I think he damaged himself much more than he is aware of with this ill-fated move to throw in the towel. Now think about all those affected that honestly dedicate their lives to the sport as well as those that have the responsibility to maintain the sportís integrity. Think about those lowly mechanics or technicians, who don't really get much money or glory and certainly are not in the lime light that toiled to put his bike in order to ride that weekend. Or the truck drivers who drove long hours while he undoubtedly was asleep in the motorhome to get him to his destination, I could go on and on about all the low paid people who surround a team and dedicate time, sacrifice family, all for the passion of motorsport. Think about all the people that were betrayed by his lack of intestinal fortitude by giving up and simply ride back into the pit because he was having a bad day.


I have a contact with a gentleman who is involved with the US Army top fuel and motorcycle drag race teams for the NHRA. They have a program called YES (Youth Educational Services) which offer opportunities to kids to job-shadow the various careers in motorsport racing. I personally go out twice a year and take a bunch of teenage kids to the NHRA drag races to expose them to career opportunities in racing. One overwhelming theme that all those involved talk about, from the clean-up crews to the hospitality cooks, mechanics, to the drivers, ect. ect., all of them use words like: dedication, integrity, and determination toward a TEAM effort--all for one purpose. They make a point of saying all are integral parts of a team and all pledge to do their best toward the success of the whole. The rider/driver is but one in a sea of people working together. Imagine for a minute, one of Hoffmannís mechanics saying, well I don't think I'm going to wrench on the bike for you and take the extra time to fine tune a better set up because, well youíre probably not gonna win anyway, so Iím just gonna go to sleep and call it a day. Could you imagine? That mechanic would be crucified and chastised, and deservedly so.


When Hoffman took the grid and start to the race he had committed to the effort. He needed to finish the race and try his best not just as a professional but also as part of a team that had dedicated themselves to the race. He also committed to the other racers on that grid that they would all have to fight for positions, even if they were the last ones. He violated the integrity of competition and by quitting eroded the spirit of contest.

Would you hire him if your were the one footing the bill to field a bike knowing that on any given race he might not try as hard because he didnít feel like it that day?
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Excellent summation Jumkie. A TRUE professional would keep going and finish the job even if it was to come last. He's acted like a total amateur and isn't needed in the sport. Give it to someone who's going to behave in a professional manner no matter what the circumstances.
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a+ summary of what is expected in todays society.

There is also the issue of sponsorship.

These teams can only survive in Motgp because of huge investment from outside organisations who pay a huge amount of money for their products to be seen on the bikes and riders.

Not only does this action embarrass the team and class itself as a loser and a non finisher but it also tars the sponsors with the same brush.

IMO Luis did the only thing he could probably do to save face and lets hope Chaz will give it 100%

he now has a chance to prove that he is worth more than a Ducati Test rider
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Sep 18 2007, 05:16 AM) [snapback]91215[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That is [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img] .

Look, I don't personally know the guy, but those were his words, he quit. He gave up in dishonor. I don't have anything personal against him. As a matter of fact I saw an interview about his career and thought he seemed to be a nice guy. But this incident has shown his hand and I can't really say I am impressed. Sure we all have frustrations as human beings. We have trial and tribulations, and even scores to settle with people who have wronged us. But I think he damaged himself much more than he is aware of with this ill-fated move to throw in the towel. Now think about all those affected that honestly dedicate their lives to the sport as well as those that have the responsibility to maintain the sportís integrity. Think about those lowly mechanics or technicians, who don't really get much money or glory and certainly are not in the lime light that toiled to put his bike in order to ride that weekend. Or the truck drivers who drove long hours while he undoubtedly was asleep in the motorhome to get him to his destination, I could go on and on about all the low paid people who surround a team and dedicate time, sacrifice family, all for the passion of motorsport. Think about all the people that were betrayed by his lack of intestinal fortitude by giving up and simply ride back into the pit because he was having a bad day.
I have a contact with a gentleman who is involved with the US Army top fuel and motorcycle drag race teams for the NHRA. They have a program called YES (Youth Educational Services) which offer opportunities to kids to job-shadow the various careers in motorsport racing. I personally go out twice a year and take a bunch of teenage kids to the NHRA drag races to expose them to career opportunities in racing. One overwhelming theme that all those involved talk about, from the clean-up crews to the hospitality cooks, mechanics, to the drivers, ect. ect., all of them use words like: dedication, integrity, and determination toward a TEAM effort--all for one purpose. They make a point of saying all are integral parts of a team and all pledge to do their best toward the success of the whole. The rider/driver is but one in a sea of people working together. Imagine for a minute, one of Hoffmannís mechanics saying, well I don't think I'm going to wrench on the bike for you and take the extra time to fine tune a better set up because, well youíre probably not gonna win anyway, so Iím just gonna go to sleep and call it a day. Could you imagine? That mechanic would be crucified and chastised, and deservedly so.
When Hoffman took the grid and start to the race he had committed to the effort. He needed to finish the race and try his best not just as a professional but also as part of a team that had dedicated themselves to the race. He also committed to the other racers on that grid that they would all have to fight for positions, even if they were the last ones. He violated the integrity of competition and by quitting eroded the spirit of contest.

Would you hire him if your were the one footing the bill to field a bike knowing that on any given race he might not try as hard because he didnít feel like it that day?

spot on jumkie [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
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So is Chaz going to be the replacement rider at motegi??
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 18 2007, 12:10 AM) [snapback]91192[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
very insightful post jumkie [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
the germans will probably stop showing motogp on tv now there token has been give the boot, just like they did when rasmussen was pulled out of le tour de france [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]



I can assure you that this is not gonna happen. In fact, only very few people here seemed to watch MotoGP because of the Hoff since he has been anything but a popular rider even in his home country. There might not be too many MotoGP fans in Germany, but most of those who are, are because they love the sports and not because of a certain rider who happens to share their nationality.

By the way, what's the deal with that Rasmussen comparison. Last time i checked, Rasmussen was from Denmark. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Roadrunner @ Sep 18 2007, 01:25 PM) [snapback]91327[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can assure you that this is not gonna happen. In fact, only very few people here seemed to watch MotoGP because of the Hoff since he has been anything but a popular rider even in his home country. There might not be too many MotoGP fans in Germany, but most of those who are, are because they love the sports and not because of a certain rider who happens to share their nationality.

By the way, what's the deal with that Rasmussen comparison. Last time i checked, Rasmussen was from Denmark. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

dont no mate,you tell me. does seem a bit weird but,
according to eurosport ,german tv through the dummy out the pram when rasmussen was "called back" and refused to show anymore of the tour.
just so you no, i was joking about german tv and the hoff. i have nothing against the germans , infact i will be over there visiting family at the end of the month, and we won the war...oops did i say that out load [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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Pretty sure the Germans called it off when a German member of T.Mobile was busted (sinkewicz?) and the team withdrew..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Sep 18 2007, 01:46 PM) [snapback]91339[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pretty sure the Germans called it off when a German member of T.Mobile was busted (sinkewicz?) and the team withdrew..

mabe thats it mate, so many get booted of it's hard to keep track [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]
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