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August 21st, 2007, 02:08 PM   #1
 
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Hi all...

Now this may have already been done to death in the past on this forum, but I'd be interested to know the opinions of other forum members as to what they believe is the better career path for riders trying to break into MotoGP. Is it best to go the way of Supersport & Superbikes or better to go the "old" way & come up through the 125 & 250cc ranks.

Vale's 125 & 250 titles were important steps on his road to the top & most recently of course we have Dani & Casey, plus of course Capirex, Biaggi & Marco etc.

But on the flip side in the past we have had Doohan, Lawson, Schwantz, Rainey win 500cc titles (duh!) and more recently of course Nicky Hayden... plus near the top are Hopper & Chris Vermeulen & who knows what they might achieve given time... and these riders came through from Superbikes.

Now although ex Superbike riders haven't been nearly as successful as I'd have liked over recent years, I believe that it doesn't make it a less valid path then taking that of the 125's & 250's in GP's but as I have already said, I'd like to know the thoughts of others?

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Hmmm... interesting. For an American, it would be Superbike. But in Europe it would be the 125's/250's. But that is with the current 125/250 situation. If the two series swich to 4 strokes(haven't been paying attention to that, so it might be done already), and you have 450's and 600's, then I think it would be a very viable possiblity for Americans.

IMO, Superbikes is the way to go. You learn on a big bike. And with factory support in most national and world superbikes series, your chances of moving to MotoGP are much better than 125/250's. With only a hand full of Honda seats, not all 125/250 riders for Honda get a shot at those seats. And saying that, the other two facotry efforts in the lower classes do not have MotoGP efforts anymore, so them moving up with their respective company would be impossible.


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IMO any American wanting to get a MotoGP ride needs to do WSBK first. I don't think you will see Americans getting very good 125/250 rides and the results would send them packing in quick fashion. Would love to hear opinions on this.

I'm thinking we may see first hand how coming from AMA Superbike to MotoGP pans out with Ben Spies. I wish him luck but I believe the cards will be stacked against him because he's a big guy riding a smaller bike. I hope I'm wrong, but do wish him all the luck in the world.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Aug 21 2007, 04:49 PM) [snapback]86297[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
IMO any American wanting to get a MotoGP ride needs to do WSBK first. I don't think you will see Americans getting very good 125/250 rides and the results would send them packing in quick fashion. Would love to hear opinions on this.

I'm thinking we may see first hand how coming from AMA Superbike to MotoGP pans out with Ben Spies. I wish him luck but I believe the cards will be stacked against him because he's a big guy riding a smaller bike. I hope I'm wrong, but do wish him all the luck in the world.


Yeah, I'm worried Ben will have it pretty tough because of his size. However, I think it is only Honda who are dedicated to building a bike that gets smaller and smaller for mass centralization purposes.

Personally, I think it's somewhat dim b/c the optimal center of mass is always changing. Moving all the parts to the interior seems smart but altering the structure? The cockpit should be more spacious to allow more aggressive weighting, not less spacious, right?. I guess that's Honda for you.

125/250 is by far the better path for breaking into MotoGP especially in the 800 era. MGP teams have connections with the baby GP classes and all you have to do is win races (sometimes not even that) to get a boost. Coming from WSBK its almost mandatory you have won a championship.

However, I will say if you want to take the safe route WSBK is the better selection. If you start to lose your will or you find you're not as fast as you thought, you can grind out a much nicer existence in WSBK than in 125/250.

Once the baby GP classes change to four strokes and hopefully get better rubber, Americans might start competing. As it is, Europe is too far away, to find out your too big to ride with the little European children.

Make the bikes moderately more powerful and get some rubber that can support the mass of a full grown young man, and we will probably show up to play. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/toot.gif[/img]
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If you want to make it in MotoGP, I think the best way is to get a European passport and start with the feeder minor league series that is 125 and 250s.

The other way is to be extraordinarly good and be an outstanding champion in AMA or WSBK.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 22 2007, 06:44 AM) [snapback]86336[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you want to make it in MotoGP, I think the best way is to get a European passport and start with the feeder minor league series that is 125 and 250s.

The other way is to be extraordinarly good and be an outstanding champion in AMA or WSBK.


Let be more specific 125 and 250 and have an Italian or Spanish Passport. The AMA WSBK or even BSB route is the most difficult path to take to MotoGP

Perhaps the question should be What is the best path to success and a chance at a wininng team and bike in MotoGP.
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Not to mention the 125-250GP boys race the same tracks as the MotoGp riders.
That background is a bit of an advantage.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Doctor @ Aug 23 2007, 02:56 AM) [snapback]86402[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Not to mention the 125-250GP boys race the same tracks as the MotoGp riders.
That background is a bit of an advantage.

Thats a good point, a rider jumping over from superbikes has to first learn the track,
set the bike up, qualify then race. I think thats a big obstacle considering how competitive Motogp is.
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Because of the close relations between bosses of 125s and 250s teams and motogp teams.. probably that. Winning a superbike championship is probably the most likely way to get you in if you are doing superbikes.. eg Colin Edwards (who, for some strange reason, you missed out [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img])
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rickyduck @ Aug 23 2007, 05:38 AM) [snapback]86426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Because of the close relations between bosses of 125s and 250s teams and motogp teams.. probably that. Winning a superbike championship is probably the most likely way to get you in if you are doing superbikes.. eg Colin Edwards (who, for some strange reason, you missed out [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img])



Ah... oops is all I can say to that! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]

Quite liked old CE2 back in his Superbike days... although I would've like him more if he'd managed to lose an extra race to Mr Bayliss in 2002! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
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