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January 31st, 2007, 01:19 PM   #1
 
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It would seem Barros is setting the pace at the moment, granted Yamaha are not there, but he is up there big time. Troy Bayliss whipped ass in the last MotoGP.
Could it be that Superbikes has a higher standard of riding ability than MotoGP ?
Toseland had v fast test times on pedrosa's bike doing only 20 laps.

Which is the premier class ???????????/

I admit i much prefer MotgGP.

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Jumkie and I touched on this subject recently after i "assumed" that motogp was the hardest racing in the world. He put forward a good case for motocross and it was quite interesting.

But, I do believe that motogp is the true premier class of motorcycle roadracing. It has always been the ultimate test, and only seriously good riders can make their way to the top.

Also worth noticing how many successful superbike racers are riders who had poor performance in GP racing. The list is almost endless.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 31 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie and I touched on this subject recently after i "assumed" that motogp was the hardest racing in the world. He put forward a good case for motocross and it was quite interesting.

But, I do believe that motogp is the true premier class of motorcycle roadracing. It has always been the ultimate test, and only seriously good riders can make their way to the top.

Also worth noticing how many successful superbike racers are riders who had poor performance in GP racing. The list is almost endless.


I not talking about the past i am talking about NOW !!!!!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jan 31 2007, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would seem Barros is setting the pace at the moment, granted Yamaha are not there, but he is up there big time. Troy Bayliss whipped ass in the last MotoGP.
Could it be that Superbikes has a higher standard of riding ability than MotoGP ?
Toseland had v fast test times on pedrosa's bike doing only 20 laps.

Which is the premier class ???????????/

I admit i much prefer MotgGP.



It has to be motogp, racing prototype race machines is always gonna be the pinnacle, just as F1 is the top of car racing.

It's not unusual for diesel riders to come to GP and put in some good results, but putting in a whole season is a different matter.

On the flip side, a couple of seasons on the diesels, and lil John Koscinski kicked ass and git the No1 plate. On the bike that Diesel king Foggy said was crap.

Gotta be GP

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January 31st, 2007, 01:39 PM   #5
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pete is right, its the prototype racing for sure. And again, the superbike guys like Bayliss can come over and put in a good ride, but there is no way he could put a season together to the standard of the GP top stuff, which is why he ended up back in the superbike paddock.
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well it's not like Bayliss or Barros haven't ridden a GP bike before..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jan 31 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Which is the premier class ???????????/

I
Hi Dion, nice to see you still on the site (glad that roger didn't scare you away).

You may want to check out a great article from Speed channel that Frosty posted on another thread. I think you will find it very interesting.

At first glance it would seem that Pete is right, and certainly the general perception is that MotoGP is the pinnacle of motorcycle "road" racing. I would tend to agree.

So to answer your question, MotoGP.

However, I think the more interesting question is what series has the greatest talent? (sorry if I'm hijacking your thread)




There is much evidence to suggest that the top racers in MotoGP/WSBK/AMA are equal. I don't want to get long winded here so I just will point you to some test from boys from other series on GP tracks that had similar or better times to their contemporaries in GP: Ben Spies (AMA), Troy Bayliss (WSBK). If you accept that GP is the "premier" racing series, then the question becomes, are the riders in entire GP grid the "best???" My short answer is--NO.

Debate...




(side note, since Tom mentioned it, if we were asking which is the top motorcycle off-road series, I'd have to say US Supercross/Motocross.)

(2nd side note:I really don't want to get into this one too much but the WSBK boys have experience on many of the same tracks as MotoGP, so when you get a guy like Ben Spies testing well in Europe, well that to me just seems more impressive, which may explain why the American boys have more success in Laguna, as oppose to the argument that they can't win outside the US, its simply, they have more experience here.)

(3rd side note: Pete, nice new flag "If its not Scottish, its crap!"
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Worthless thread. Obviously Motogp
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Morgo @ Jan 31 2007, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Worthless thread. Obviously Motogp
Not really. I thinks its an intriguing question. Donít look at it as black and white but rather at the implications of the question. How well do you think Rossi, Loris, or Melandri would do in AMA? Would they run 1, 2, 3, ?


(assuming they had competitive packages that obviously they would merit)
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I think there can be no mistake that Motogp bikes are far superior technologically compared to a World Superbike for example. The question of better riders is another matter entirely. I do believe that their are superior riders. I do not bel;ieve that they are only located in Motogp. A riders success in Motogp has a lot to do with the opportunity they have and the support they receive. There are plenty of examples of riders who did not have the right opportunity at the right time, and as a result they did not fare very well. On the flip side there are riders who seem to have been given every advantage available regardless of their success/failure rate. I believe I can use an old saying "there is no superior martial art, only superior martial artists", "there is no superior racing class, only superior racers.

This concludes today's lesson grasshoppers
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