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January 31st, 2007, 03:41 PM   #11
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Feb 1 2007, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>believe I can use an old saying "there is no superior martial art, only superior martial artists", "there is no superior racing class, only superior racers.

Very good quote, I think it sums up the relationship nicely. It's hard to say which one is "Superior", because while a guy like Rossi could come in and probably kick arse on a Superbike, I don't think a guy like Hoffman could. They're both great classes of racing, but if you had to say which one has a higher level of competition, it would be motoGP. It's intresting how the times are getting closer, now though. Kinda like the last days of the 500s.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>pete is right, its the prototype racing for sure. And again, the superbike guys like Bayliss can come over and put in a good ride, but there is no way he could put a season together to the standard of the GP top stuff, which is why he ended up back in the superbike paddock.

Your kidding right? Bayliss' years in motogp were on a brand new bike (for the first two) or a bike that was not suited to him. Last years win at Valencia shows that had he been riding for, say, the factory ducati squad in 2006, he could have definately run at the pace of the frontrunners, no question.. He did alll that in one race weekend ffs!

As far as comparing GP with WSBK goes, well its not that easy. Theyre two very different forms of racing and require different strengths and weaknesses in different areas. So, i think most top level riders in either classes, given the time to adapt, could be competetive in either class..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Feb 1 2007, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe I can use an old saying "there is no superior martial art, only superior martial artists", "there is no superior racing class, only superior racers.

I just have to quote you again in total agreement.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antfan @ Feb 1 2007, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your kidding right? Bayliss' years in motogp were on a brand new bike (for the first two) or a bike that was not suited to him. Last years win at Valencia shows that had he been riding for, say, the factory ducati squad in 2006, he could have definately run at the pace of the frontrunners, no question.. He did alll that in one race weekend ffs!

To put the Bayliss win in perspective a bit. He was freash off a holiday having finished superbikes, the other guys were at the end of a 17 round gp season and recently back from the taxing flyaways. Bayliss had nothing at all to loose, everyone riding near him would not be prepared to risk championship positions for the sake of beating him. It was also fortunate for him that he was on the best bike and tires for the day, and on a track he was quite familiar with.

We have seen before that when things arn't working well for Bayliss, or if pressure is on, he is more likely to get agrressive, over ride the bike and make way too many mistakes. That is not a quality that would serve him well as a gp rider. He is obviously the worlds best superbiker at the moment, but in Gp's i'd expect him to be in the top ten, but not the top 5 of the championship (edwards area).

I think Bayliss is an excelent rider, motogp is too hard for him to have major success in. His abilities go much better with a forgiving and less precise superbike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To put the Bayliss win in perspective a bit. He was freash off a holiday having finished superbikes, the other guys were at the end of a 17 round gp season and recently back from the taxing flyaways. Bayliss had nothing at all to loose, everyone riding near him would not be prepared to risk championship positions for the sake of beating him. It was also fortunate for him that he was on the best bike and tires for the day, and on a track he was quite familiar with.

We have seen before that when things arn't working well for Bayliss, or if pressure is on, he is more likely to get agrressive, over ride the bike and make way too many mistakes. That is not a quality that would serve him well as a gp rider. He is obviously the worlds best superbiker at the moment, but in Gp's i'd expect him to be in the top ten, but not the top 5 of the championship (edwards area).

I think Bayliss is an excelent rider, motogp is too hard for him to have major success in. His abilities go much better with a forgiving and less precise superbike.

Says it all Tom, Bayliss was on a high and had no pressure. A season is a long time. Edwards destroyed him the last time they were both in supers to take the title, and he's not exactly dominated GP.

And if I remember rightly, we have been assured on here that Nicky could have picked up the pace at any time, and lap the entire field if he had needed to. Jumkie said it so it must be true.....

I think, as we have agreed before, it comes down to, the fast guys will always be fast, but, the guys who hit the top of GP will always be a bit special. It has changed a bit now GP is on diesels, it took someone from another level to ride a 500 2 stroke to the limit every week.

I keep going back to lil John, but he demonstrated what a gifted, (if inconsistant) GP rider could do on a superbike.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Says it all Tom, Bayliss was on a high and had no pressure. A season is a long time. Edwards destroyed him the last time they were both in supers to take the title, and he's not exactly dominated GP.

And if I remember rightly, we have been assured on here that Nicky could have picked up the pace at any time, and lap the entire field if he had needed to. Jumkie said it so it must be true.....

I think, as we have agreed before, it comes down to, the fast guys will always be fast, but, the guys who hit the top of GP will always be a bit special. It has changed a bit now GP is on diesels, it took someone from another level to ride a 500 2 stroke to the limit every week.

I keep going back to lil John, but he demonstrated what a gifted, (if inconsistant) GP rider could do on a superbike.

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Exactly, John never quite had what it takes to run at the front in the Gp field, then went over to superbikes and in two years won the title on the bike that King Carl said was crap. That shows you the difference in rider talent perfectly.

And how Foggy came to the conclusion he could have beaten Doohan??? I'm not even sure he actually believed that, he can't be that stupid. I reckon his just said it to get some attention.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 1 2007, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, John never quite had what it takes to run at the front in the Gp field, then went over to superbikes and in two years won the title on the bike that King Carl said was crap. That shows you the difference in rider talent perfectly.

And how Foggy came to the conclusion he could have beaten Doohan??? I'm not even sure he actually believed that, he can't be that stupid. I reckon his just said it to get some attention.

Foggy loved the sound of his own voice, and lets be honest, he was never going to get the chance to prove it. He had a major chip on his shoulder that he was No 1 in the lower class than GP. The British press didnt help by going on about how Superbikes were the big thing at the time. The whole 90's thing put Britain backwards as far as GP was concerned, all the young Brits wanted to be the next Foggy instead of Barry, and went into supers.


Nah, GP all the way for me.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 1 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Foggy loved the sound of his own voice


gotta be gp's i love all of it mind u, but motogp is the top of the pyramid.
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nothing against wsb, but's its motogp for me everytime,racing prototypes should be the pinicle because its that technology thats past down to wsb and street bikes not the other way.
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