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December 29th, 2021, 04:33 AM   #1
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Stoner: Increased runoff worst thing to happen to MotoGP

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I agree with him.
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December 29th, 2021, 05:58 AM   #2
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Interesting. Never heard that expression “bust him” used in racing. Not certain what he means by that.

As to making the junior classes safer, a good start would be - less riders on the track. That swarm of riders is insane. Especially in light of those kids being so young and inexperienced. Those first few turns in the first lap are like watching a game of Asteroids. And the riders being so young, have little to no sense of potential for mortality, so you can bet, they view the whole thing like it was the video game they practice on in their trailer.

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December 29th, 2021, 01:20 PM   #3
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Totally agree with Stoner's comments and these are not new as he has been saying that the tarmac areas have made racing more unsafe in terms of rider behaviour for years and to me, if they look at sorting that issue it will help with junior class safety (not solve but help).

My start, would be that in any 1 race allow one track limit breach only and then, implement long laps for breaches 2 and 3 followed by full pit lane excursions for any subsequent. Yes there may be times of a track breach caused by an incident but these are easily defined (ie. did the track limit breach occur under a yellow flag etc).

Additionally I would have cumulative penalties such that every breach deemed rider error/unnecessary through a year equals 1 penalty point with a defined number of points meaning specific penalties such as rear of grid start, pit lane start, suspension etc as well as team financial penalties.

As for improving safety elsewise, start to crack down on the poor and dangerous behaviours (such as the capability to use another rider as a berm as you have tarmac to save both of you) and you will start to get there as riders will start to slow due to the penalty applied (will need to see a few applied for it to happen)

Safety will improve under draconian rule implementation but then people will whinge and whine but to Stoner's point, the fact that they have gotten away with it for so long means the change needs to be swift and brutal and supported by all classes.

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Ah! I agree wholehearted with the true KING of MOTOGP.
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I agree with Stoner as well.

The thing is, all these painted lines, different color tarmac and all the complicated rules associated with this nonsense take away from the racing. Then guys like Mir think nothing of stuffing into somebody because well, nobody’s going to get hurt, there’s now plenty of runoff. Or whatever other fucked up reason he would give for that behavior.

Remove all that mommy/nanny crap and let’s get back to racing.
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Yeah, go back to tarmac and then grass, we all want the premiere class to be just like BSB...

Can't have it all. Can't turn the clock back. MotoGP tracks are configured for 230hp GP bikes and the smaller classes have to deal if you want semi-prototype, fastest bikes in the world. Something's gotta give.

Not that I disagree that the smaller classes need to be more strictly regulated tho.
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Spa Francorchamps over the winter was revamping the circuit with the aim of hosting a round of the world championship. They've added gravel traps back in sections that were paved over with tarmac runoff.

I've argued for years that increasing runoff areas in all motorsports has led to a rise of unsafe/dangerous driving/riding. If you know there is no penalty for running wide, why cede any space in battle? Gravel traps are safer for motorcycles, and bring back an element of racing where someone has to blink first lest they find themselves beached in the gravel.
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As with JPS, I too have been one that has whinged for years about a runoff that does not result in a form of penalty to a rider that finds themselves on it but I also recognise (as I am sure does everyone) that we do need something for the safety aspect but personally, I feel the full tarmac or longer tarmac runoff is the concern.

I do not have the answer that fits all scenarios, hell, not even sure there would be one as with a return of grass or gravel at trackside we run the risk of punishing a rider who is forced wide through another riders error or action. Is it then fair that the 'innocent' party loses time or is taken out of the race through no real fault of their own?

Is the issue that needs to be addressed tarmac or the increase in bad behaviour on the track, or even both?

To me, I have no issues with a small tarmac outside the line that draws the boundary for the track - maximum width should be 1 car width (I say car as most tracks cater for cars before bikes) with gravel or grass beyond this point. Then I suggest that where a rider then uses that piece of tarmac, at anytime they are subject to a long lap penalty (now with the advent of these) - irrespective of whether the cause was another rider.

Now, where another rider causes the issue I feel that the rider needs to be subject to a post race review and guaranteed, hard-wired penalties apply (ie. no discretionary penalty but hard firm penalty). These could be grid spots at future race, time added (and time added should start at 15 or so seconds), points against an overall licence etc, something that will punish irrespective but that then accumulates on a 'per occurence' base.

I suppose for me we have 2 issues here, the use of tarmac to increase a corner speed and the increase in riding behaviour that we often see end in contact or badly, so for me, address both as separate issues
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I still vividly remember rookie Brett Mccormick getting run off the track at WSBK Assen by Checa. Broken back. End of a promising career.

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As with JPS, I too have been one that has whinged for years about a runoff that does not result in a form of penalty to a rider that finds themselves on it but I also recognise (as I am sure does everyone) that we do need something for the safety aspect but personally, I feel the full tarmac or longer tarmac runoff is the concern.

I do not have the answer that fits all scenarios, hell, not even sure there would be one as with a return of grass or gravel at trackside we run the risk of punishing a rider who is forced wide through another riders error or action. Is it then fair that the 'innocent' party loses time or is taken out of the race through no real fault of their own?

Is the issue that needs to be addressed tarmac or the increase in bad behaviour on the track, or even both?

To me, I have no issues with a small tarmac outside the line that draws the boundary for the track - maximum width should be 1 car width (I say car as most tracks cater for cars before bikes) with gravel or grass beyond this point. Then I suggest that where a rider then uses that piece of tarmac, at anytime they are subject to a long lap penalty (now with the advent of these) - irrespective of whether the cause was another rider.

Now, where another rider causes the issue I feel that the rider needs to be subject to a post race review and guaranteed, hard-wired penalties apply (ie. no discretionary penalty but hard firm penalty). These could be grid spots at future race, time added (and time added should start at 15 or so seconds), points against an overall licence etc, something that will punish irrespective but that then accumulates on a 'per occurence' base.

I suppose for me we have 2 issues here, the use of tarmac to increase a corner speed and the increase in riding behaviour that we often see end in contact or badly, so for me, address both as separate issues
I just remember Mir last year whinging when Jack Miller who was on the track held his line when Mir re-entered after going off the track. He was perfectly free to re-join behind Miller. Iirc the stewards looked at it from the point of view of Miller being at fault which was ridiculous imo.
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