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October 11th, 2021, 06:58 AM   #171
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Yes, the «bike to have» at the time colors these rankings discussions. Some years you just had to have machinery by X to be in contention.

That said, I rate Lawson at the top.

Ago won a lot of titles but how much of that is due to him having «the machineto have» before the Japanese showed up.
I rate Lawson as I have already said. I think you are a little tough on Mick in regard to bike advantage, my recollection is of him being a second a lap quicker than the other Honda riders all the way through practice, then the other riders being given his settings which didn’t best please Mick. Lawson and Erv Kanemoto contributed significantly to the taming of the bike prior to Mick though, and the factory Yamaha chassis in 1993 was diabolical, iirc Wayne Rainey went with a customer chassis.

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I rate Lawson as I have already said. I think iupuvare a little tough on Mick in regard to bike advantage, my recollection is of him being a second a lap quicker than the other Honda riders all the way through practice, then the other riders being given his settings which didn’t best please Mick. Lawson and Erv Kanemoto contributed significantly to the taming of the bike prior to Mick though, and the factory Yamaha chassis in 1993 was diabolical, iirc Wayne Rainey went with a customer chassis.

Rainey asked for his old chassis first and was refused by Yamaha, initially they said it had been crushed. He then went to the French Roc chassis and got better results and was on his way to the title. Yamaha forced him back onto their 1993 chassis and the rest is history.
Supposedly the in trend practice of spreading the gravel out in a wave/fan shape with peaks and troughs, sent Rainey and his bike into the violent barrel roll that did the damage. It’s been said that a conventional gravel bed would have slowed him safely without much fuss.
Ironically the fan shaped gravel originated from F1, who soon stopped doing it, after finding cars skipped over the peaks instead of digging in gently and stopping.
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Rainey asked for his old chassis first and was refused by Yamaha, initially they said it had been crushed. He then went to the French Roc chassis and got better results and was on his way to the title. Yamaha forced him back onto their 1993 chassis and the rest is history.
Supposedly the in trend practice of spreading the gravel out in a wave/fan shape with peaks and troughs, sent Rainey and his bike into the violent barrel roll that did the damage. It’s been said that a conventional gravel bed would have slowed him safely without much fuss.
Ironically the fan shaped gravel originated from F1, who soon stopped doing it, after finding cars skipped over the peaks instead of digging in gently and stopping.
I was unfortunately watching that race live.
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I was unfortunately watching that race live.

Me too, terrible day for all bike racing fans…
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He has since ridden again. I'm sure you've seen, but this video is too awesome to not enjoy again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqwHIjwO2w
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I was unfortunately watching that race live.
Likewise.

As harrowing it is to recollect, I'd be interested in your take on that Mike. I've since read that the Doctors from the Clinica Mobile knew immediately from the way he fell that it had resulted in paralysis. To the lay viewer such as myself, it looked innocuous just a question of whether he would be fit for the penultimate round and home race at Laguna. I recall speculation that he wouldn't be able to ride due to a broken collarbone. In the absence of the internet, rumours and speculation were confined to the paddock or tentatively circulated by telephone and fax. A few hours later, the terrible news broke.
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As harrowing it is to recollect, I'd be interested in your take on that Mike. I've since read that the Doctors from the Clinica Mobile knew immediately from the way he fell that it had resulted in paralysis. To the lay viewer such as myself, it looked innocuous just a question of whether he would be fit for the penultimate round and home race at Laguna. I recall speculation that he wouldn't be able to ride due to a broken collarbone. In the absence of the internet, rumours and speculation were confined to the paddock or tentatively circulated by telephone and fax. A few hours later, the terrible news broke.
No, I thought immediately that he was paraplegic as well, the way he hit and was moving.

If you are still in touch with Jumkie give him my regards, he is much missed as are you and Roger.
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No, I thought immediately that he was paraplegic as well, the way he hit and was moving.

If you are still on touch with Jumkie give him my regards, he is much missed as are you and Roger.
I saw the crash in a documentary. I think it was faster. It didn't look very violent but sometimes hitting just right can be catastrophic. It reminds me of one of the best bmx racers of all time Aussie Sam Willoughby. He looped out at a local practice in San Diego landing on his butt. The crash seemed so minor but he hit just wrong and severed his spinal cord.
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For sure. I’ve seen and experienced that weird disconnect between how a crash looks and how much it affects the rider. We’ve all seen guys crash at speeds over 100 mph and they just walk away. I’ve seen guys go down at 30 mph and get ambulanced away with green stick fractures and missing fingers. For all the romance about 2-strokes (and I love ‘em still) and the consequent rise of four-stroke technology, it really is a positive step safety-wise, in that we don’t seen nearly as many dramatic high-sides as we did in the old days. Whenever I watch old races where they still had hay bales for protection from walls and railing, I shudder when the riders get too close. I shattered my hip being high-sided into hay bales at Loudon.
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Instead of fire-breathing 2-strokes, now we have tires that can chunk at any moment.
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