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August 28th, 2021, 06:52 PM   #31
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No worries guys... good debate.
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August 28th, 2021, 07:00 PM   #32
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My take here and where I agree but disagree is in the rider input to development.

Have always said that no rider today will tell the engineers how to fix an issue or how to improve performance, and likewise no rider will deliberately lead development of a bike to make it more ridable to his/her competitors (test riders are the exception)

Nope, to me development of a bike is rider based in terms of results and that rider's position within the heirachy.

You can bet that HRC use Marc's data to determine direction then they would Pol, likewise it was Dovi over Ianonne, Lorenzo over Spies and so forth which means that they lead the development. It is also why I wondre now for Ducati and Suzuki as examples where we have no clear ride leader. Where will they go in the next year or so?

What then happens is that once that lead rider leaves, the development focus has to change and that takes time as the development route is then based on another's data and so forth. Neverending cycle.
The other thing was that Gigi probably made up his mind about Dovi prior to 2017, they seemed a tad wistful when Stoner was testing for them that he would in no way consider unretiring. I have to say along with Gigi I didn’t foresee his subsequent results. Perhaps Gigi and Ducati saw him as failing to win the titles those years rather than finishing second.

I agree about Dovi not being a mid packer, but like you I don't think he has quite the final edge that the multiple title winners have, on bad weekends you have to do better than only having the pace to finish 8th or thereabouts which no longer seems to be a problem for FQ, who gives every appearance of being a top echelon rider himself, this year.

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https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/98...idelli-monster

Yamaha Racing managing director Lin Jarvis has confirmed plans forAndrea Doviziosoto return to the MotoGP grid with Petronas SRT at Misano, ahead of a full campaign for the reborn satellite Yamaha outfit in 2022.

"The plan is to have Morbidelli with the factory team and Dovizioso with the satellite teamfrom Misano and then also in 2022," Jarvis told the official MotoGP website.
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Yamaha Racing managing director Lin Jarvis has confirmed plans forAndrea Doviziosoto return to the MotoGP grid with Petronas SRT at Misano, ahead of a full campaign for the reborn satellite Yamaha outfit in 2022.

"The plan is to have Morbidelli with the factory team and Dovizioso with the satellite teamfrom Misano and then also in 2022," Jarvis told the official MotoGP website.
This news I am happy about.

Has the makings of a good team with Morbidelli and Quartararo
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This news I am happy about.

Has the makings of a good team with Morbidelli and Quartararo
Agreed. And Dovi running duties in a satellite team, can foresee another golden era for Yamaha.
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Yep. Good move, looks like a very strong team for next year. Dovi might get to stick it to Ducati.
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Is that likely to happen because SRT have renegotiated the contract, so that next year they get 2 B spec bikes.
Be nice to see though…
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I really dont care for Dovi. I know I've had that argument with some on here before but it pains me that he's coming back when a talent could have taken the bike to learn on.

I know some Moto2 riders have turned it down, bt what is Dovi going to do? Ride around on a B spec bike for a year then retire. Seems like a total waste to me.

How many riders who debuted in 2008 are still riding? Lorenzo won 3 titles and is long gone. Sure he was runner up for 2 years, but that was after 10 seasons in the sport.
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Curious... which riders turned it down?

Dovi - who knows? May surprise people. He's 35 and Rossi actually had some good rides at that age. Sure it'll be last year's model, but the M1 is bound to handle better than the Ducati, on which he turned out some spectacular rides, despite that fact the fucking thing still doesn't turn. Dovi's in good shape and still without any serious injuries. He has serious race craft, rarely if ever crashes, and like Crafar likes to say (every 5 minutes) "He's a demon on the brakes".
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I really dont care for Dovi. I know I've had that argument with some on here before but it pains me that he's coming back when a talent could have taken the bike to learn on.

I know some Moto2 riders have turned it down, bt what is Dovi going to do? Ride around on a B spec bike for a year then retire. Seems like a total waste to me.

How many riders who debuted in 2008 are still riding? Lorenzo won 3 titles and is long gone. Sure he was runner up for 2 years, but that was after 10 seasons in the sport.
I hadn't particularly rated him either.
Those last lap dices he had with Marquez and came out on top, changed my opinion.
Marquez is the best I have seen in ~ 40 years of watching the sport.
To beat him like that, multiple times, is pretty impressive.
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