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August 14th, 2021, 02:50 PM   #51
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Obviously indefensible regardless, but out of interest did he stall the bike in the first place or was it a bike issue ?.
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August 14th, 2021, 03:58 PM   #52
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That was your mate's own R1, Vinales doesn't own the M1 he rides. In fact, there's a team of highly skilled engineers that invested their time into that engine and Vinales didn't think about them while he was attempting to destroy it.



The engineers and mechanics on Vinales' team are also highly talented and their worked hard to get to the position they're in. Vinales' talent doesn't put him in an position where he is any better than them or has a right to attempt to destroy their work.

I used to be in the Air Force and I worked on aircraft with a price tag high enough to make a MotoGP bike seem as affordable as a used 250cc Kawasaki. It simply wasn't possible to have a "bad day" that would justify an attempt to sabotage an aircraft engine or any other component. Not only would our career be over, we would've been thrown in jail (rightfully so). Nobody would've been trying to offer us a beer or tell us that we shouldn't be kicked while at a low point in life.

It doesn't matter what your profession is, a pro athlete or racer can be held to the same standard as everyone else. That is the standard of an adult. There is an expectation for an adult to control their emotions and not destroy property (especially property that is not theirs). Failure to do so can result in harsh consequences.
I think the air force analogy is a good one.

However, while a mechanical issue if there was one doesn't justify what Vinales did, as a general point the converse to your argument about the Yamaha equipe is that the rider is entitled to require the engineers, management etc to be competent, which teams including Yamaha have failed to be in the past eg sending Ben Spies out for several races on a bike with a bent frame which did impact his performance and probably his career. Similarly the throttle jamming on Casey Stoner's Honda in that superbike race post his GP career causing him to crash and sustain multiple fractures, with Honda initially attributing it to rider error, which I believe soured his relationship with Honda.
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August 14th, 2021, 07:17 PM   #53
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I think the air force analogy is a good one.

However, while a mechanical issue if there was one doesn't justify what Vinales did, as a general point the converse to your argument about the Yamaha equipe is that the rider is entitled to require the engineers, management etc to be competent, which teams including Yamaha have failed to be in the past eg sending Ben Spies out for several races on a bike with a bent frame which did impact his performance and probably his career. Similarly the throttle jamming on Casey Stoner's Honda in that superbike race post his GP career causing him to crash and sustain multiple fractures, with Honda initially attributing it to rider error, which I believe soured his relationship with Honda.
Actually they should be a great deal better than "competent". But, like highly skilled riders, they are not without fault and, of course, mistakes are made both in the garage and on the track.
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