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August 14th, 2021, 12:53 AM   #41
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I think its the social media effect.

Social media encourages everyone to have an instant reaction at that given moment when they read, look at, or view something. There's no moment of reflection, it's just whatever comes to mind, that is what comes out. People think there's no consequences there so why would there be in the real world?

His desperation to get out of Yamaha was foolish, he was going to be gone after Valencia anyhow. Just get out there, figure out how you can finish high in the standings at each race and close the chapter on a good note.

Instead he's just like nah fuck it, let's burn this bitch down.
This is social media. Motogp forum, social media. YouTube, social media.

I know very little about Maverick Vinales the person, the human being. All I know really comes from, you guessed it, social media.

As a motogp rider I have absolutely no issue with Vinales whatsoever. Cannot recall him ever causing a collision, riding a competitor off track, making a dodgy pass, any sort of dirty riding move at all. Maybe he has, I just donít recall it. I do remember his Yamaha having brake failure with him having to jump off the bike, or stay on it and hit the gravel or the fence. I have no idea how that may have affected him, never faced such a proposition.

I will say I donít have anything against Maverick Vinales in any way at all, I greatly appreciate what he has given me as a mere spectator of this sport and I wish him all the best in his future, either that being in his motogp career or simply his life as a husband, father, and for all accounts all round decent human being. Knocking people at there worst or crises point is not what I am about these days.
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This is social media. Motogp forum, social media. YouTube, social media.

I know very little about Maverick Vinales the person, the human being. All I know really comes from, you guessed it, social media.

As a motogp rider I have absolutely no issue with Vinales whatsoever. Cannot recall him ever causing a collision, riding a competitor off track, making a dodgy pass, any sort of dirty riding move at all. Maybe he has, I just donít recall it. I do remember his Yamaha having brake failure with him having to jump off the bike, or stay on it and hit the gravel or the fence. I have no idea how that may have affected him, never faced such a proposition.

I will say I donít have anything against Maverick Vinales in any way at all, I greatly appreciate what he has given me as a mere spectator of this sport and I wish him all the best in his future, either that being in his motogp career or simply his life as a husband, father, and for all accounts all round decent human being. Knocking people at there worst or crises point is not what I am about these days.
Room to consider even if everything that is being said is true why he was so desperately unhappy at Yamaha, particularly since he is far from the first rider of talent not to prosper with them or to feel impelled to leave them over the past decade.
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MotoGP rider or not, anyone that willingly attempts to destroy their employers multi-million dollar equipment should expect heavy criticism. Coddling them or attempts to support/rationalize such a bad decision only enables the behavior and makes them feel like the consequences are unjust.
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Ok its all ok now ... its fixed.

Maveric has apologised lol.
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Ok its all ok now ... its fixed.

Maveric has apologised lol.
I'm surprised he didn't come up with some bullshit like a leg cramp and arm spasms. Good on him for being honest.
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MotoGP rider or not, anyone that willingly attempts to destroy their employers multi-million dollar equipment should expect heavy criticism. Coddling them or attempts to support/rationalize such a bad decision only enables the behavior and makes them feel like the consequences are unjust.
My mate willingly tried to destroy his R1 one night bouncing it off the limiter. Lucky he had the good valves in. Do t fear we didnít coddle him, such bad behaviour required beer as punishment.
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MotoGP rider or not, anyone that willingly attempts to destroy their employers multi-million dollar equipment should expect heavy criticism. Coddling them or attempts to support/rationalize such a bad decision only enables the behavior and makes them feel like the consequences are unjust.
It's one thing to justify it and another to judge.

I certainly don't justify it since I think Maverick has done harm to his reputation and his career (damage to himself mentally and his reputation) by doing so. There are many other ways he could have handled it for sure. However, unfortunately, he went the route that he did.

I don't judge him for it either. I am not in his situation and none of us are perfect. He is an athlete and a top one at that. It takes a lot of dedication and commitment to get to his level in racing motor cycles. Of course, he does need support and help, but all the support and help would come to nothing without his own tremendous effort and talent. IMO, he deserves respect for this and I certainly offer him more than for some of the descenting remarks that I've read here. He has not thrown toys out of a pram... he's a motor gp rider and a grown man who is not happy with his situation.

He has allowed his anger to get the better of him as everyone of us here cannot claim hasn't befallen us as well. This is deeply unfortunate. I really don't know what to say personally, because he's not a dirty rider and does seem like a nice fellow. He's also darned quick on his good days.

I wish him all the very best since I'm sure that this will affect his family life as well. There's no one to blame here. Blame and responsibility are two different things.
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My mate willingly tried to destroy his R1 one night bouncing it off the limiter. Lucky he had the good valves in. Do t fear we didn’t coddle him, such bad behaviour required beer as punishment.
That was your mate's own R1, Vinales doesn't own the M1 he rides. In fact, there's a team of highly skilled engineers that invested their time into that engine and Vinales didn't think about them while he was attempting to destroy it.

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It's one thing to justify it and another to judge.

I certainly don't justify it since I think Maverick has done harm to his reputation and his career (damage to himself mentally and his reputation) by doing so. There are many other ways he could have handled it for sure. However, unfortunately, he went the route that he did.

I don't judge him for it either. I am not in his situation and none of us are perfect. He is an athlete and a top one at that. It takes a lot of dedication and commitment to get to his level in racing motor cycles. Of course, he does need support and help, but all the support and help would come to nothing without his own tremendous effort and talent. IMO, he deserves respect for this and I certainly offer him more than for some of the descenting remarks that I've read here. He has not thrown toys out of a pram... he's a motor gp rider and a grown man who is not happy with his situation.

He has allowed his anger to get the better of him as everyone of us here cannot claim hasn't befallen us as well. This is deeply unfortunate. I really don't know what to say personally, because he's not a dirty rider and does seem like a nice fellow. He's also darned quick on his good days.

I wish him all the very best since I'm sure that this will affect his family life as well. There's no one to blame here. Blame and responsibility are two different things.
The engineers and mechanics on Vinales' team are also highly talented and their worked hard to get to the position they're in. Vinales' talent doesn't put him in an position where he is any better than them or has a right to attempt to destroy their work.

I used to be in the Air Force and I worked on aircraft with a price tag high enough to make a MotoGP bike seem as affordable as a used 250cc Kawasaki. It simply wasn't possible to have a "bad day" that would justify an attempt to sabotage an aircraft engine or any other component. Not only would our career be over, we would've been thrown in jail (rightfully so). Nobody would've been trying to offer us a beer or tell us that we shouldn't be kicked while at a low point in life.

It doesn't matter what your profession is, a pro athlete or racer can be held to the same standard as everyone else. That is the standard of an adult. There is an expectation for an adult to control their emotions and not destroy property (especially property that is not theirs). Failure to do so can result in harsh consequences.
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That was your mate's own R1, Vinales doesn't own the M1 he rides. In fact, there's a team of highly skilled engineers that invested their time into that engine and Vinales didn't think about them while he was attempting to destroy it.



The engineers and mechanics on Vinales' team are also highly talented and their worked hard to get to the position they're in. Vinales' talent doesn't put him in an position where he is any better than them or has a right to attempt to destroy their work.

I used to be in the Air Force and I worked on aircraft with a price tag high enough to make a MotoGP bike seem as affordable as a used 250cc Kawasaki. It simply wasn't possible to have a "bad day" that would justify an attempt to sabotage an aircraft engine or any other component. Not only would our career be over, we would've been thrown in jail (rightfully so). Nobody would've been trying to offer us a beer or tell us that we shouldn't be kicked while at a low point in life.

It doesn't matter what your profession is, a pro athlete or racer can be held to the same standard as everyone else. That is the standard of an adult. There is an expectation for an adult to control their emotions and not destroy property (especially property that is not theirs). Failure to do so can result in harsh consequences.
This is why I mentioned responsibility. He is, and has to take, responsibility for his actions whether he likes to or not. I'm not at all disputing this. This is quite different from blame and judgement. We don't know the inside story and there are two sides to each story, always, especially since it involves someone as Vinales. Again, I stress that he clearly made a mistake for which he needs to take responsibility. It's unfortunate....
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